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From Henry Saputra <henry.sapu...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [Proposal] Apache TVM
Date Thu, 28 Feb 2019 17:49:29 GMT
Hi TIanqi,

Actually for the initial committers, I believe can onboard them as part of
bootstrapping of project.

Any member of IPMC could keep me honest here too =)

Reference for Incubator PPMC for info:
https://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html

Thanks,

- Henry

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 9:36 AM Henry Saputra <henry.saputra@gmail.com>
wrote:

> HI Tianqi,
>
> What I can do instead is to restructure the proposal to have PPMC to
> include mentors and the PMC members from TVM.
> And the rest of committers from TVM will invited from VOTE from PPMC.
>
> Would that work?
>
> - Henry
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 2:13 AM Tianqi Chen <tqchen@cs.washington.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Henry:
>>
>> Because the TVM community already adopts Apache meritocracy and has a
>> separation of PMC and committers. Every new member(PMC and committers) are
>> formally discussed and we welcome each member in the community by
>> summarizing their contributions.
>> If possible,  we would like to keep the same structure during incubation.
>> The current PMC members are actively proposing new committers and PMC
>> members from different organizations in the past few months and will
>> continue doing so after the incubation.
>>
>> Tianqi
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 9:07 PM Henry Saputra <henry.saputra@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Bit more clarifications, as new podling in Apache, the initial members
>> of
>> > PPMC consist of mentors and initial commiters of the project.
>> >
>> > I understand TVM already work mirroring ASF meritoracy [1] but we need
>> to
>> > change the proposal to follow Apache guidelines to help us cross check
>> > membership later for onboarding.
>> >
>> > If it is OK with you I will change the proposal to merge the "Initial
>> PPMC
>> > Members" and "Initial Committers", minus the mentors from ASF, to be
>> just
>> > Initial Committers.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > - Henry
>> >
>> >
>> > [1] https://github.com/dmlc/tvm/blob/master/CONTRIBUTORS.md
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 9:56 AM Markus Weimer <weimer@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Thanks everyone for the discussion thus far. Based on it, I have
>> uploaded
>> > > an updated proposal here:
>> > >
>> > > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TVMProposal
>> > >
>> > > The changes made are:
>> > >
>> > >    1. Rectify the language around PMC vs. PMC member. Thanks Greg, for
>> > >    pointing that out!
>> > >    2. Adding Furkan, Timothy and Henry as additional mentors. We can
>> use
>> > >    all the help :)
>> > >
>> > > Assuming there are no further discussion points, I'd like to move
>> forward
>> > > with a [VOTE]. I'll let this sit here and simmer for another 24h to
>> make
>> > > sure we are done with the discussion phase.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > >
>> > > Markus
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 1:08 PM Tianqi Chen <tqchen@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Thanks, everyone for helpful feedbacks. I would like to clarify a
>> few
>> > > > points being raised so far on behalf of the current TVM PMC.
>> > > >
>> > > > > PMC vs PMC member
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks for pointing it out. This is something we overlooked and will
>> > > update
>> > > > the proposal to make the change accordingly.
>> > > >
>> > > > > Champion
>> > > >
>> > > > Markus has been actively engaging with the TVM community and helped
>> the
>> > > > community start the incubation process. These efforts include:
>> > > > - Introduce the Apache way to in the TVM conference last Dec
>> > > >    -
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://sampl.cs.washington.edu/tvmconf/slides/Markus-Weimer-TVM-Apache.pdf
>> > > > - Help the community to start the incubation conversation(also
>> Thanks
>> > to
>> > > > Sebastian and Gon)
>> > > >    - https://github.com/dmlc/tvm/issues/2401
>> > > > - Watch the pre-incubation private list, and give helpful feedback
>> > > >
>> > > > While we do not expect our mentor to actively watch the community
on
>> > the
>> > > > daily basis(many of our committers only contribute a few days in a
>> > week),
>> > > > he has been very responsive and helped us to shape the incubation
>> > > proposal
>> > > > and most importantly be a strong advocate of the Apache way. I
>> > personally
>> > > > think he is more than qualified as our champion:)
>> > > >
>> > > > > Hardware artifact
>> > > >
>> > > > INAL, however, given that Apache only releases source code and our
>> > source
>> > > > code is in the form of software source code (HLS C and we are
>> moving to
>> > > > Chisel-(scala) ). Then anyone can take the software source code and
>> > > > generate unofficial hardware release.
>> > > >
>> > > > Tianqi
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 6:44 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <
>> > > > bdelacretaz@codeconsult.ch> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Hi,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:44 AM Justin Mclean <
>> > > justin@classsoftware.com
>> > > > >
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > If the Apache License works for those artifacts I think
that's
>> > > > fine...
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > It probably doesn’t, but it's complex and INAL, but I
have
>> touched
>> > on
>> > > > > this about this in IoT talks at previous ApacheCons...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > FWIW the prior discussions that I mentioned are linked below
-
>> from
>> > > > > board@ so accessible for ASF Members of Officers only, but we
can
>> > > > > distill them as needed if a concrete need appears with TVM.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > We didn't go past the discussions stage at that time (2011) but
if
>> > > > > there's another case of hardware at the ASF I'm willing to help
>> > > > > restart those discussions to move this forward. Either to define
>> > which
>> > > > > additions to the Apache License are required, or to clarify that
>> it's
>> > > > > ok as is.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > So unless there are specific objections about accepting a project
>> > > > > which includes hardware as a software artifact I'm in favor of
>> > > > > accepting TVM and sorting out these things during incubation.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -Bertrand
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Prior board@ discussions at https://s.apache.org/hw2011_1 and
>> > > > > https://s.apache.org/hw2011_2
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
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>> >
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