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From Bertrand Delacretaz <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Accept Training into the Apache Incubator
Date Wed, 13 Feb 2019 09:48:26 GMT

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 8:58 AM Lars Francke <> wrote:
> ...According to the Incubator rules[4] I'd like to call a vote to accept the
> new "Training" project as a podling in the Apache Incubator...

+1 and I'm copying the proposal here, we usually do this for archiving purposes.


Training Proposal


Apache Training aims to be a project dedicated to developing resources
which can be used for training purposes in various media formats,
languages and for various Apache and non-Apache target projects.


In this proposal we refer to the “Training project” because initially
it was unclear whether this would be an Incubator project, a TLP
project or a central service. We decided to go the Incubator route.

This proposal is a bit different than most because it does mostly
start from scratch. So there are a few things yet undecided (e.g.
Github usage). We expect to discuss these issues as one of the first
things after establishing this project.


The purpose of the Training project is to create high-quality training
material for various projects in an open source form. Up until now
everyone who wants to offer a Training course for one of the Apache
projects needs to create her or his own slides/labs and keep them
up-to-date. This is a significant investment of time and money. This
project aims to spread that burden and help all Apache projects as we
can create shared resources and we can also create cross-project

To sum up, the main goals for this project:

Develop shared material that can be used for trainings

Focused on Apache but also 3rd party projects where it makes sense

Develop “labs” or “hands-on” exercises
Develop or document an infrastructure that can be used for those labs
Potentially develop tools to manage the material (e.g. a “slide”
repository that contains “modules” that can be easily reused and

These are non-goals for this project:

Some kind of official “Apache Training Program” with certifications etc.

Based on feedback and future developments this may change but we
believe it’s out of scope initially

Project documentation

The training material we develop is not necessarily self-explanatory.
It still benefits from an experienced instructor but it will make it
possible for talented people without the time and resources to develop
material to still train others.


There are tons of companies offering training for and around the
Apache ecosystem. From our experience everyone is building a very
similar set of slides and labs (there’s only so many ways you can
explain a concept). This project aims to create and use synergies. By
also bringing these resources closer to their origin we hope to
improve quality, freshness of the content and versatility (e.g. more
language options).

It is the mission of the Apache foundation “to provide software for
the public good” and we believe this project can help with that
mission by making the software more accessible for a broader audience.

Initial Goals

The initial goal for the first few weeks or months is to have
discussions and agreements on various scoping and technical issues as
well as integrating existing donated material.

After that we want to start building a library of content.

Current Status

This is a bootstrapped project. While there is some initial material
to contribute there are no processes, no community and no decisions


We value meritocracy and we understand that it is the basis for an
open community that encourages multiple companies and individuals to
contribute and be invested in the project’s future. We will encourage
and monitor participation and make sure to extend privileges and
responsibilities to interested contributors.

This project will differ from most other Apache projects in that its
focus is not on “source code” in the traditional form but in
“content”. This is not totally unprecedented (e.g. Infra, Conferences,
Marketing, Legal, Brand, etc. are all services within the ASF) and
fully within the goals of the Apache Foundation.


As this is a new bootstrapped project there is no existing community
to build on. Based on initial feedback from the mailing list and
discussions with various companies there is however a broad interest
in collaborating in this area so we hope that a new community will
quickly grow and establish.

Core Developers

This proposal originated as an idea from people from the two companies
inovex and OpenCore which are listed below as initial committers but
we hope to gather more (even during the discussion of this project


The Training project is purely an “integration” project aiming to
support all other Apache projects. There might be some overlap with
the Community central service as well as the newly established
“Design/Creative” central service.

Known Risks

Orphaned products

As this establishes a brand new project there is no history to look
at. OpenCore is committed to Apache and its members have a decade long
track record of contributing to Apache projects. In addition to this
we believe that the Training project relies much less on a single
company than most other Apache projects due to its broad scope. Due to
the expectation of companies directly benefiting from this project we
expect at least a moderate level of interest / involvement from
multiple companies (training and otherwise) that should hopefully help
share the burden.

Inexperience with Open Source

One of the initial committers is an Apache committer, member and
Incubator PMC member. We additionally have multiple long-term Open
Source and Apache contributors on board. They will work with other
community members to teach them the Apache Way.

Homogenous Developers

There is no single dominating entity and we expect to start with
members from various companies, backgrounds, countries and hopefully

Reliance on Salaried Developers

It is expected that Training development will occur on both salaried
time and on volunteer time, after hours. Realistically probably
leaning towards salaried time. Since the general idea is that this
material may also be used by professional training companies and thus
generate revenue for these companies we expect a realistic chance of
salaried work in maintaining and updating these materials.

Relationships with Other Apache Products

The whole goal of this project is to provide a service for all other
Apache (and some non-Apache) projects. As such it doesn’t make sense
to list them all. The initial contributions will be around the big
data space but we are in no way limited to those projects and welcome
contributions for all kinds of projects.

We don't see any overlap with existing projects and every project
could still opt to create its own material if they so desire. We would
not force any project to use the provided resources so we see little
risk here.

Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand

This proposal is not for the purpose of generating publicity. We are
applying to the Incubator or the Apache Foundation at large because we
think it is the next logical step for us as companies (OpenCore,
inovex) and for the topic at large as outlined in the Rationale
section above. We have a long history of contributing to Apache
projects, improving documentation, reviewing books about Apache
projects, giving talks etc. For us this is about working together on
something in the open that we have done behind closed doors so far.

Required Resources

Mailing lists


The project may also create a user mailing list, if needed.

Source Control and Issue Tracking

The Training project would probably use Apache’s gitbox integration to
sync between github and Apache infrastructure. Whether the project
would use a Jira or something else is still to be decided in the
projects early days.

Current Resources

None, apart from the donations outlined below.

External Dependencies

None, for now that is. We expect to build up a technology and content
stack as part of this project.


We do not expect “Training” to be a controlled export item due to the
use of encryption.

Source and Intellectual Property Submission Plan

Companies willing to donate content and code are welcome to do so.
OpenCore and inovex will initially donate their material. This is
currently closed source and will be donated via the “normal” ways
(e.g. Jira patches or Github pull requests, license grants etc.)

Initial Committers

Lars Francke (larsfrancke at apache dot org, OpenCore)

Sönke Liebau (soenke.liebau at opencore dot com, OpenCore)

Frank Marmann (frank.marmann at inovex dot de, inovex)
Marcel Spitzer (marcel.spitzer at inovex dot de, inovex)
Collin Rogowski (collin.rogowski at, inovex)
Hans-Peter Zorn (hzorn at inovex dot de, inovex)
Justin Mclean (justin at classsoftware dot com)
Furkan Kamaci (furkankamaci at gmail dot com)
Sharan Foga (sharan at apache dot org)
Craig Russell (apache.clr at gmail dot com)
Kenneth Knowles (kenn at apache dot org)
Dmitriy Pavlov (dpavlov at apache dot org)
Christofer Dutz (christofer dot dutz at


Lars Francke (larsfrancke at apache dot org, OpenCore)

Nominated Mentors

Lars Francke (larsfrancke at apache dot org, OpenCore)

Justin Mclean (justin at classsoftware dot com)
Craig Russell (apache.clr at gmail dot com)
Christofer Dutz (christofer dot dutz at

Sponsoring Entity

The Incubator PMC

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