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From Lars Francke <lars.fran...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal
Date Mon, 04 Feb 2019 10:38:51 GMT
Oh and one more thing that I at least want to mention is the name. I know
that podlings can do a name search after the incubation has started.

We thought about using "Training" as the proper name though. It's very
descriptive and easy to understand/recognize in multiple languages.
https://training.apache.org etc.

Are there any issues with that?


On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 10:20 AM Lars Francke <lars.francke@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dmitry, Kenneth,
>
> sorry for the slow replies. I was offline on vacation for a few days. I'll
> add both of you to the Wiki (if you haven't already done so).
>
> I love that we have gathered quite a few interested people to participate
> already but I'd love to hear more (or any really) opinions on the proposal
> itself as well as the route it should go.
>
> I'm now leaning in favor of straight-to-TLP. I know we don't have any
> fixed duration for DISCUSS threads and discussion has died down but I don't
> really want to close it yet so I'll wait at least until the end of the week
> before starting any potential next steps.
>
> > I'm not a professional teacher or trainer, but I have been a part of
> preparing and delivering a number of trainings and talks  (also the usual
> teaching, tutoring, talking in grad school FWIW) and I love it.
>
> I assume (haven't checked) that this is the background of most of us. It
> certainly is mine as well. So that should not be a problem at all!
>
> Cheers,
> Lars
>
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 9:22 PM Kenneth Knowles <kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Lars,
>>
>> I would like to be a part of this too, according to your & the others'
>> best
>> judgment. I'm PMC at Beam & incubator.
>
> One of my favorite things about Beam that keeps
>> me working on it is that it is a natural integration point of lots of
>> different Apache projects both as data processing engines (Spark, Flink,
>> Apex, Samza, Tez, Storm, incubating Nemo, ex-incubating Gearpump, ...)
>> used
>> by Beam users and also data stores (Cassandra, HBase, Hadoop, Tika, Hive,
>> ...) they want to read/write from. So our trainings are already basically
>> cross-project Apache-focused material and it would be great
>> cross-pollination. We often have to help users configure their Spark &
>> Flink clusters, etc.
>>
>> Kenn
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 2:04 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Lars,
>> >
>> > I'd like to be a part of this. I'm PMC at Apache Ignite. Sometimes I
>> need
>> > to give individual feedback to developers related to both Apache
>> policies
>> > and spirit of developing software in a community way. Why not invest
>> effort
>> > into training and education materials instead?
>> >
>> > I gave several talks in Russia related to The Apache Software Foundation
>> > and
>> > blog about The Apache Way. I also assist newcomers joining Apache
>> Ignite.
>> > So count on my support, and I definitely would like to became committer
>> at
>> > Training.
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> > Dmitriy Pavlov
>> >
>> > ср, 30 янв. 2019 г. в 01:25, Lars Francke <lars.francke@gmail.com>:
>> >
>> > > Craig,
>> > >
>> > > that's great news. Thank you for volunteering. I've added you to the
>> > Wiki.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Lars
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 11:01 PM Craig Russell <apache.clr@gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi Lars,
>> > > >
>> > > > I'll volunteer to mentor the project if it ends up incubating. And
>> I'd
>> > > > like to join the discussion as a member of the (P)PMC. The idea of
>> an
>> > > open
>> > > > source project to help rationalize training materials is very
>> > appealing.
>> > > >
>> > > > I'm also very interested in the ecosystem of not-for-profit
>> education
>> > and
>> > > > I think this project would be a great fit.
>> > > >
>> > > > Craig
>> > > >
>> > > > > On Jan 28, 2019, at 5:49 AM, Lars Francke <lars.francke@gmail.com
>> >
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I've been going back and forth on the topic of TLP vs. Incubator
>> > > podling.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I don't really have a strong opinion but I'm leaning slightly
in
>> > favor
>> > > of
>> > > > > "straight to TLP" and the past discussion (linked in previous
>> mail)
>> > did
>> > > > > also have more voices in favor of TLP. But of course there are
>> > > arguments
>> > > > to
>> > > > > be made for both sides.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I've been wondering if anyone here has opinions on this part
of
>> the
>> > > > > proposal?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > In a related thread I asked about how to proceed in terms of
>> choosing
>> > > > > members for a PMC and one suggestion was to make it depend on
the
>> > > route:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > * Incubator: On graduation ask and assess current PMC members
and
>> see
>> > > if
>> > > > > everyone has proven their merit and is willing to continue
>> > > > > * TLP: Start with a PMC consisting of only ASF members (plus
>> > additional
>> > > > > committers) and then accept additional members for the PMC on
a
>> > > "normal"
>> > > > > basis
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Cheers,
>> > > > > Lars
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 1:49 PM Lars Francke <
>> lars.francke@gmail.com
>> > >
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> Hello everyone,
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> this is the result of the discussion I started in December
>> 2018[1].
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> I would like to start this thread to get feedback on a proposal
>> > we've
>> > > > been
>> > > > >> working on for a project focused on developing training material
>> for
>> > > > Apache
>> > > > >> & 3rd party projects.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> The full proposal can be found here <
>> > > > >> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TrainingProposal>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Disclaimer: It is a bit different than most other proposals
as it
>> > > > >> basically starts at zero.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Our main goals for this discussion are:
>> > > > >> * Finding mentors and interested contributors
>> > > > >> * Discuss whether this should be a Incubator project, straight
to
>> > TLP
>> > > > or a
>> > > > >> Central Service
>> > > > >> * Sharpen the scope of the project
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> While I personally have a relatively long history as a
>> contributor,
>> > > > >> committer etc. at Apache I've never been a mentor before
so we
>> would
>> > > > love
>> > > > >> for some experienced people to help us out.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> We're looking forward to all kinds of feedback.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Cheers,
>> > > > >> Lars
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> [1] <
>> > > > >>
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/9cb4d7eef73e0d526e0124944c3d37325aa892675351a1eed0a25de3@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>
>> > > >
>> > > > Craig L Russell
>> > > > clr@apache.org
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
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