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From Serge Huber <shu...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Unomi to TLP
Date Mon, 04 Feb 2019 10:31:52 GMT
Thanks Daniel for replying so quickly, greatly appreciated.

Regards,
  Serge...

On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:25 AM Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org> wrote:
>
> +1 - still in brussels, so lagging behind on email :)
>
> On 04/02/2019 11.10, Serge Huber wrote:
> > Hello Daniel,
> >
> > I'd like to close the vote soon but as you voted -1 because of the
> > lack of PNS we need your new vote.
> >
> > For your information, here's the completed and accepted PNS [1].
> >
> > Best regards,
> >    Serge Huber.
> >
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-161
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 3:12 PM Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 1/22/19 3:09 PM, Mark Thomas wrote:
> >>> On 22/01/2019 00:37, Greg Stein wrote:
> >>>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 3:21 PM Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>    -0 (binding) - This podling has never completed a suitable podling
name
> >>>>> search. It seems that people no longer consider that relevant as
it is not
> >>>>> in the Maturity model and I’m not sure why. It could be because
that is
> >>>>> ComDev and not the IPMC.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The "Maturity Model" (MM) is just a thing developed by ComDev peeps.
It has
> >>>> no bearing within the Foundation, other than as a lens for individuals
to
> >>>> view projects. That lens is not part of the Incubator, or any other
PMC.
> >>>>
> >>>> Personally, I do not view the "podling name search" (PNS) as a gate.
That
> >>>> is another imposition, from outside the Incubator, that has crept into
the
> >>>> "Must Be Performed(tm)" guidelines for graduation. The Board is the
> >>>> ultimate arbiter of whether a podling can graduate, and a name search
is
> >>>> informative for them, rather than gating for us [on the IPMC]. If a
podling
> >>>> wants to be called "Apache Acme", and "gee, there are a lot of Acme
> >>>> products out there", then that is on the community. Not something for
the
> >>>> Incubator to demand they change; just something for them to deal with.
A
> >>>> community problem, rather than one for the Incubator or the Foundation
> >>>> itself.
> >>>
> >>> I disagree on that point - as VP Brand I would, wouldn't I ;)
> >>>
> >>> If there is an issue with the name (that the PNS would have uncovered)
> >>> then the likely solution is that the (now graduated) project will have
> >>> to rename. That has a cost for both the community and the foundation.
> >>>
> >>> While in some cases there are clearly no conflicts, in others it is not
> >>> quite so clear cut. The aim of the PNS is to enable both the podling and
> >>> the foundation (delegated to the Branding Committee) to decide if the
> >>> choice of name is acceptable given the degree of risk associated with
> >>> any potential conflict and the associated costs of a rename should that
> >>> risk materialise.
> >>>
> >>> (There is an assumption here that early renames result in lower costs
> >>> for both the community and the foundation).
> >>>
> >>> As VP Brand I am likely recommend against a podling graduating without a
> >>> PNS on the basis that it represents an unknown level of risk. The board
> >>> may approve the resolution anyway but I suspect it would be tabled
> >>> (delayed) until the following meeting to allow a PNS or something along
> >>> those lines to take place.
> >>>
> >>> As an aside, the policy docs still say a PNS is required to graduate. If
> >>> this view has changed (I'm not sure it has - I don't recall a
> >>> discussion) then those docs need updating.
> >>
> >> I haven't heard of any policy change either, and with that in mind, I am
> >> -1 (binding) on graduation till a PNS has been resolved. As Mark stated,
> >> there are costs involved with name changes, on multiple fronts, and
> >> making sure that we don't clash is quite important.
> >>
> >> With that said, there is plenty of time till the next board meeting, a
> >> PNS _could_ be done in time for that, and I'd remove my -1. :)
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Mark
> >>>
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