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From Dave Fisher <>
Subject Re: Starting at the incubator and releases
Date Mon, 25 Feb 2019 19:22:42 GMT
Hi -

I agree with what Myrle wrote I wanted to focus on this paragraph which I think describes
one of the major issues with the IPMC.

> On Feb 25, 2019, at 3:03 AM, Myrle Krantz <> wrote:
> Also, our mentors were not always the most active, so it would have been
> impossible for us to get a release out at all if we had depended on only
> them to vote on our releases.  We have a shortage of mentors in the
> incubator.  If projects are not willing to accept fly-by help, there may
> actually not be enough help at all in certain areas.  The incubator could
> be forced to accept less projects.  Weex (the podling I'm currently
> mentoring) currently only has two mentors.  If Justin were to stop voting
> on their releases, they wouldn't be able to make official Apache releases
> anymore.

To me the main Incubator problem is most podlings do not have three fully engaged mentors.
Even if they do they are also volunteers and may not be able to vote quickly. A minimum from
a Mentor should be to VOTE on releases. Some podlings get The Apache Way and a good mentor
may only need appear to VOTE. Others do not and the amount of engagement needed is large which
causes some mentors to resign and others to fade away.

Put another way is that even if a new podling comes in with four or five mentors some of these
never, ever engage with the podling. In my experience there is always one or two that may
engage at the start and never engage after.

Release VOTES on the general@incubator list are better as a final check than they are as the
primary official vote. If a podling likes a particular IPMC member's VOTEs on general@ maybe
they can ask them to mentor and/or vote on their dev list.

Recently Justin added a question on podling reports to indicate if the Mentors are being helpful.
Maybe the question needs to be refined to ask if all Mentors are helping with Release Votes.

52 or 53 Incubating podlings may be too many. The Incubator may be too lenient in (a) allowing
podlings in with minimal mentors and (b) not recognizing when as unfair as it may seem incubation
has failed. Maybe when a podling is failing due to IPMC issues the mentors should go to members@
to see if there is a volunteer for that podling.


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