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From Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal
Date Mon, 04 Feb 2019 09:35:30 GMT
Hi all,

finally having some time to read through the proposal, I too would be interested in participating.

I do have quite a bit of experience in creating trainings as this is part of my job at codecentric.
For the ASF I have for example prepared a Maven training, which I held in Vancouver a few
years ago.

Justin pointed me to having a look as maybe my presentation-setup could be helpful as well.
Most presentations are in a binary format (or in an XML format that's so complex, I'd call
it XML-binary)
So a typical git workflow is sort of pointless. 

For the last few years I have been doing all my talks, trainings etc. in a setup I have been
perfecting.
I am writing content as Asciidoc files and have them generated to slides via RevealJS via
Maven.

My setup currently supports a huge variety of plugins that allow all sorts of charts, diagrams,
or other content.

The main benefit for me is that this way I can always tag, branch and compare versions of
my talks.

Guess it could be helpful in community built content and reviews.

So if you are interested in this, I would be happy to donate that ... as well as my existing
training material.

Chris


Am 04.02.19, 10:21 schrieb "Lars Francke" <lars.francke@gmail.com>:

    Dmitry, Kenneth,
    
    sorry for the slow replies. I was offline on vacation for a few days. I'll
    add both of you to the Wiki (if you haven't already done so).
    
    I love that we have gathered quite a few interested people to participate
    already but I'd love to hear more (or any really) opinions on the proposal
    itself as well as the route it should go.
    
    I'm now leaning in favor of straight-to-TLP. I know we don't have any fixed
    duration for DISCUSS threads and discussion has died down but I don't
    really want to close it yet so I'll wait at least until the end of the week
    before starting any potential next steps.
    
    > I'm not a professional teacher or trainer, but I have been a part of
    preparing and delivering a number of trainings and talks  (also the usual
    teaching, tutoring, talking in grad school FWIW) and I love it.
    
    I assume (haven't checked) that this is the background of most of us. It
    certainly is mine as well. So that should not be a problem at all!
    
    Cheers,
    Lars
    
    On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 9:22 PM Kenneth Knowles <kenn@apache.org> wrote:
    
    > Hi Lars,
    >
    > I would like to be a part of this too, according to your & the others' best
    > judgment. I'm PMC at Beam & incubator.
    
    One of my favorite things about Beam that keeps
    > me working on it is that it is a natural integration point of lots of
    > different Apache projects both as data processing engines (Spark, Flink,
    > Apex, Samza, Tez, Storm, incubating Nemo, ex-incubating Gearpump, ...) used
    > by Beam users and also data stores (Cassandra, HBase, Hadoop, Tika, Hive,
    > ...) they want to read/write from. So our trainings are already basically
    > cross-project Apache-focused material and it would be great
    > cross-pollination. We often have to help users configure their Spark &
    > Flink clusters, etc.
    >
    > Kenn
    >
    > On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 2:04 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov@apache.org> wrote:
    >
    > > Hi Lars,
    > >
    > > I'd like to be a part of this. I'm PMC at Apache Ignite. Sometimes I need
    > > to give individual feedback to developers related to both Apache policies
    > > and spirit of developing software in a community way. Why not invest
    > effort
    > > into training and education materials instead?
    > >
    > > I gave several talks in Russia related to The Apache Software Foundation
    > > and
    > > blog about The Apache Way. I also assist newcomers joining Apache Ignite.
    > > So count on my support, and I definitely would like to became committer
    > at
    > > Training.
    > >
    > > Sincerely,
    > > Dmitriy Pavlov
    > >
    > > ср, 30 янв. 2019 г. в 01:25, Lars Francke <lars.francke@gmail.com>:
    > >
    > > > Craig,
    > > >
    > > > that's great news. Thank you for volunteering. I've added you to the
    > > Wiki.
    > > >
    > > > Cheers,
    > > > Lars
    > > >
    > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 11:01 PM Craig Russell <apache.clr@gmail.com>
    > > > wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > Hi Lars,
    > > > >
    > > > > I'll volunteer to mentor the project if it ends up incubating. And
    > I'd
    > > > > like to join the discussion as a member of the (P)PMC. The idea of
an
    > > > open
    > > > > source project to help rationalize training materials is very
    > > appealing.
    > > > >
    > > > > I'm also very interested in the ecosystem of not-for-profit education
    > > and
    > > > > I think this project would be a great fit.
    > > > >
    > > > > Craig
    > > > >
    > > > > > On Jan 28, 2019, at 5:49 AM, Lars Francke <lars.francke@gmail.com>
    > > > > wrote:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I've been going back and forth on the topic of TLP vs. Incubator
    > > > podling.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I don't really have a strong opinion but I'm leaning slightly
in
    > > favor
    > > > of
    > > > > > "straight to TLP" and the past discussion (linked in previous
mail)
    > > did
    > > > > > also have more voices in favor of TLP. But of course there are
    > > > arguments
    > > > > to
    > > > > > be made for both sides.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I've been wondering if anyone here has opinions on this part
of the
    > > > > > proposal?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > In a related thread I asked about how to proceed in terms of
    > choosing
    > > > > > members for a PMC and one suggestion was to make it depend on
the
    > > > route:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > * Incubator: On graduation ask and assess current PMC members
and
    > see
    > > > if
    > > > > > everyone has proven their merit and is willing to continue
    > > > > > * TLP: Start with a PMC consisting of only ASF members (plus
    > > additional
    > > > > > committers) and then accept additional members for the PMC on
a
    > > > "normal"
    > > > > > basis
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Cheers,
    > > > > > Lars
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 1:49 PM Lars Francke <
    > lars.francke@gmail.com
    > > >
    > > > > wrote:
    > > > > >
    > > > > >> Hello everyone,
    > > > > >>
    > > > > >> this is the result of the discussion I started in December
    > 2018[1].
    > > > > >>
    > > > > >> I would like to start this thread to get feedback on a proposal
    > > we've
    > > > > been
    > > > > >> working on for a project focused on developing training material
    > for
    > > > > Apache
    > > > > >> & 3rd party projects.
    > > > > >>
    > > > > >> The full proposal can be found here <
    > > > > >> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TrainingProposal>
    > > > > >>
    > > > > >> Disclaimer: It is a bit different than most other proposals
as it
    > > > > >> basically starts at zero.
    > > > > >>
    > > > > >> Our main goals for this discussion are:
    > > > > >> * Finding mentors and interested contributors
    > > > > >> * Discuss whether this should be a Incubator project, straight
to
    > > TLP
    > > > > or a
    > > > > >> Central Service
    > > > > >> * Sharpen the scope of the project
    > > > > >>
    > > > > >> While I personally have a relatively long history as a
    > contributor,
    > > > > >> committer etc. at Apache I've never been a mentor before
so we
    > would
    > > > > love
    > > > > >> for some experienced people to help us out.
    > > > > >>
    > > > > >> We're looking forward to all kinds of feedback.
    > > > > >>
    > > > > >> Cheers,
    > > > > >> Lars
    > > > > >>
    > > > > >> [1] <
    > > > > >>
    > > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/9cb4d7eef73e0d526e0124944c3d37325aa892675351a1eed0a25de3@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
    > > > > >>>
    > > > > >>
    > > > >
    > > > > Craig L Russell
    > > > > clr@apache.org
    > > > >
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