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From Bertrand Delacretaz <>
Subject Re: Meritocracy, initial contributors and (Incubator) Proposals
Date Mon, 28 Jan 2019 10:14:23 GMT
Hi Lars,

On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 5:35 PM Lars Francke <> wrote:
> ...Proposals (and this especially) are a way to be granted something that you
> usually have to work for (prove merit)....

I agree that being listed as an initial committer on podling proposals
is a way to get committership without necessarily demonstrating merit
in the ASF.

And that might lead people to becoming PMC members once their podling graduate.

In podlings what I've been mentoring I have often asked for the list
of PMC members to be reviewed before graduation, to verify that those
people have earned their role by providing value to the podling. I
think that's a good filter to avoid the problem the you mention.

For straight-to-TLP projects, like your Training proposal, I think the
initial PMC should consist only of Apache Members. We haven't had many
of those so far so I don't think we have a rule for that but that
seems reasonable, as there's no guidance outside of the PMC for a
straight-toTLP project.

Once the project is created the PMC can elect committers as quickly as
it wants, and decide who can also join the PMC.

I think saying "The initial PMC of a straight-to-TLP project consists
of Apache Members only" gives you a simple rule to accept candidates,
is reassuring for the Board when it accepts creating the project and
doesn't block quick project growth in any way. I recommend using that
rule for your Training project if it aims to go straight to TLP.

Interested people can still be listed somewhere but the best way for
them to demonstrate interest is to join the project's lists once


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