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From Julian Hyde <>
Subject Re: Incubator exit interview
Date Mon, 14 Jan 2019 18:50:20 GMT
What Roman said.

And also, I make a distinction between communication (information gathering) and decision
making. The Apache Way is that decisions occur on-list. It doesn’t say that all communication/information
gathering is on-list.


> On Jan 14, 2019, at 10:29 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 10:14 AM Kevin A. McGrail <> wrote:
>> On 1/14/2019 1:01 PM, Julian Hyde wrote:
>>> I don’t think the “decisions should be made on-list” principle applies
to all communication. (Otherwise why would we allow hallway conversations at conferences?)
I’d rather that we make better decisions than be slave to principle.
>> It really does apply to everything.
> As Mark Twain would say: all generalizations are false. Including this one ;-)
>> Even if you have the best meeting
>> in the world, you bring back minutes and decisions made off list for
>> ratification.  That way there is then an archive of the decision and
>> everyone can participate.
> I think if you unpack this statement you will see that there's an implicit
> assumption about "collaborative things". That's 90+% of what ASF does.
> And the statement applies there 100% -- no disagreement there.
> But there's also a small portion of things that have to do with humans,
> personalities and personnel. That's where what - Julian mentioned really
> starts making sense. At least in my book.
> Thanks,
> Roman.

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