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From Jean-Baptiste Onofré>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Unomi to TLP
Date Tue, 22 Jan 2019 15:17:02 GMT

Serge and I had already a discussion about PNS some months ago. We did a
quick search. We only found an existing trademark not related in term of
domain. So we moved forward on the graduation, because we are talking
about that since months now.

I think we still have time to launch a PNS, and the idea was to do this
as part of the graduation.

Who can help us on that front ?


On 22/01/2019 15:12, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> On 1/22/19 3:09 PM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>> On 22/01/2019 00:37, Greg Stein wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 3:21 PM Dave Fisher <>
>>> wrote:
>>>>   -0 (binding) - This podling has never completed a suitable podling
>>>> name
>>>> search. It seems that people no longer consider that relevant as it
>>>> is not
>>>> in the Maturity model and I’m not sure why. It could be because that is
>>>> ComDev and not the IPMC.
>>> The "Maturity Model" (MM) is just a thing developed by ComDev peeps.
>>> It has
>>> no bearing within the Foundation, other than as a lens for
>>> individuals to
>>> view projects. That lens is not part of the Incubator, or any other PMC.
>>> Personally, I do not view the "podling name search" (PNS) as a gate.
>>> That
>>> is another imposition, from outside the Incubator, that has crept
>>> into the
>>> "Must Be Performed(tm)" guidelines for graduation. The Board is the
>>> ultimate arbiter of whether a podling can graduate, and a name search is
>>> informative for them, rather than gating for us [on the IPMC]. If a
>>> podling
>>> wants to be called "Apache Acme", and "gee, there are a lot of Acme
>>> products out there", then that is on the community. Not something for
>>> the
>>> Incubator to demand they change; just something for them to deal with. A
>>> community problem, rather than one for the Incubator or the Foundation
>>> itself.
>> I disagree on that point - as VP Brand I would, wouldn't I ;)
>> If there is an issue with the name (that the PNS would have uncovered)
>> then the likely solution is that the (now graduated) project will have
>> to rename. That has a cost for both the community and the foundation.
>> While in some cases there are clearly no conflicts, in others it is not
>> quite so clear cut. The aim of the PNS is to enable both the podling and
>> the foundation (delegated to the Branding Committee) to decide if the
>> choice of name is acceptable given the degree of risk associated with
>> any potential conflict and the associated costs of a rename should that
>> risk materialise.
>> (There is an assumption here that early renames result in lower costs
>> for both the community and the foundation).
>> As VP Brand I am likely recommend against a podling graduating without a
>> PNS on the basis that it represents an unknown level of risk. The board
>> may approve the resolution anyway but I suspect it would be tabled
>> (delayed) until the following meeting to allow a PNS or something along
>> those lines to take place.
>> As an aside, the policy docs still say a PNS is required to graduate. If
>> this view has changed (I'm not sure it has - I don't recall a
>> discussion) then those docs need updating.
> I haven't heard of any policy change either, and with that in mind, I am
> -1 (binding) on graduation till a PNS has been resolved. As Mark stated,
> there are costs involved with name changes, on multiple fronts, and
> making sure that we don't clash is quite important.
> With that said, there is plenty of time till the next board meeting, a
> PNS _could_ be done in time for that, and I'd remove my -1. :)
>> Mark
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