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From "Kevin A. McGrail" <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Changing requirements for IPMC
Date Tue, 06 Nov 2018 19:17:22 GMT
I agree.  This is a policy for the IPMC to determine and I think this will
increase inclusion.  We need mentors and of all types.  +1
Kevin A. McGrail
VP Fundraising, Apache Software Foundation
Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project - 703.798.0171

On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 7:27 AM Shane Curcuru <> wrote:

> Great ideas, thanks Justin!
> Justin Mclean wrote on 11/6/18 3:20 AM:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I looked at the board resolution for the creation of the IPMC [1] and it
> says nothing about how IPMC members should be added so from that I take it
> that the IPMC can decide how it wants to do that.
> The IPMC is a PMC just like any other PMC.  How the PMC decides to
> choose new PMC members to recommend for a board ACK is up to the PMC, as
> long as it's documented clearly.
> > Currently the IPMC can vote people in (which is not so common) or an ASF
> member can request it. I’m not sure where the ASF member requirement came
> from and wasn’t able to find the discussion about this on the incubator
> list. (If anyone knows please point me to it.)
> IMO the "ASF Members can request recommendation without vote" is because
> of two factors: experience and oversight.  We (hope) Members have the
> skills as you note as well.  Separately, since the IPMC is overseeing a
> wide range of communities with an eye to inviting them to become an
> official Apache project, we should allow Members to formally join the
> IPMC to help oversee this process, since
> ...snip...
> > Then they can ask the IPMC to join to IPMC by sending an email to
> private@ listing what they have been involved in. The IPMC would VOTE on
> them, and there’s a chance they could be rejected, but given it’s a private
> vote I don’t think any harm is done if that happens. Also people could
> nominate other people who fit into this above group.
> +1, having a clear criteria as you list (to ensure it's people who
> really have productively helped, and not just people status-seeking) and
> an explicit call to "this is how you can *ask* to get voted into the
> IPMC" is a great idea.  I agree, we definitely need a larger pool of
> mentors for podlings, and helping committed non-Members be able to do
> this is a great thing.
> --
> - Shane
>   Director & Member
>   The Apache Software Foundation
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