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From Atri Sharma <a...@linux.com>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Changing requirements for IPMC
Date Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:45:19 GMT
+1.

I get asked to mentor projects too, but have this restriction of not being
able to join the IPMC

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 3:13 PM, Sheng Wu <wusheng@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi Justin
>
> Very interesting proposal. And I like it, also willing to request for that
> :)
>
> From my experience, several projects have invited me or involved me in,
> such as Zipkin(Incubating) and IoTDB(In Incubator discussion). But because
> I can't be podling project mentor, based on Apache member rule you
> mentioned, I just show up as a contributor. If I could be the mentor for
> these projects, will be great.
>
> Anyway, glad to see we have new option to solve `not enough mentor` issue.
>
> Thanks Justin.
>
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking
>
>
> On 2018/11/06 08:20:18, Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I looked at the board resolution for the creation of the IPMC [1] and it
> says nothing about how IPMC members should be added so from that I take it
> that the IPMC can decide how it wants to do that.
> >
> > Currently the IPMC can vote people in (which is not so common) or an ASF
> member can request it. I’m not sure where the ASF member requirement came
> from and wasn’t able to find the discussion about this on the incubator
> list. (If anyone knows please point me to it.)
> >
> > In theory an ASF member should have the knowledge and skills to mentor a
> project, however I also think those who have gone through the incubating
> process, have voted on releases and proposed or accepted new committers and
> PMC members probably know just as much even if they are not ASF members.
> They may not have as much experience but shovel at least know the basics.
> >
> > Now identifying everyone who has done this would not be be easy to
> determine and the Venn diagram of them and people who want to be mentors is
> probably small (but still significant in numbers).
> >
> > So I propose this:
> >
> > If someone has done several of the following:
> > - has been involved in an incubating project from start to finish
> > - has been a release manager
> > - has assembled LICENSE and NOTICE files
> > - has reviewed and voted on releases
> > - has proposed or accepted committers/PPMC members
> >
> > Then they can ask the IPMC to join to IPMC by sending an email to
> private@ listing what they have been involved in. The IPMC would VOTE on
> them, and there’s a chance they could be rejected, but given it’s a private
> vote I don’t think any harm is done if that happens. Also people could
> nominate other people who fit into this above group.
> >
> > I’d like to see this used for people who are wanting to be mentors,
> rather than just having binding votes on releases. I don’t have an issue
> with the later (and I think the IPMC currently does a decent job of
> catching any issues with releases they come their way), but that’s what I’m
> trying to solve with this proposal. i.e. We currently need more mentors and
> will need even more as ASF scales up.
> >
> > The subject line is actually a lie. All this really changes is that
> people can bring themselves or be brought to the attention of the IPMC,
> rather than having the IPMC actively trying to find people from graduated
> projects who then may or may not want to be IPMC members.
> >
> > We could start this off as an experiment. and take the first few people
> who request it, and see how it goes with more experienced mentors observing
> and/ or helping them.
> >
> > What do people and the IPMC think of this proposal? Good idea or not?
> Could it work with some modifications? Is it not needed at all?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> >
> > 1.
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/websites/production/incubator/content/official/resolution.html
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