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From Daniel Gruno <>
Subject Re: Getting through the hoops
Date Fri, 19 Oct 2018 08:43:07 GMT
On 10/18/2018 08:59 PM, Matt Sicker wrote:
> Finding the project for an ICLA isn't too hard provided the person's name
> was mentioned in the mailing list recently. Finding the userid for someone
> new, however, does require them to tell us ahead of time.

Mhmm, that's why I made it mandatory on, and also check 
against existing user IDs. It's not perfect (someone can still be stupid 
and insist on 'webmaster'), but it's better than before :)

On that note, I think I'm done for now with that site. Use it for 
projects if y'all want to :)

> On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 at 09:31, Dave Fisher <> wrote:
>> Hi -
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Oct 16, 2018, at 1:25 AM, Serge Huber <> wrote:
>>> Actually I think there is a lot of documentation and in itself it can be
>> a bit daunting. Also for the committer request, it would be great if it
>> could be streamlined by doing some kind of online form but there is the
>> question of the digital signature that might be an issue.
>>> Also, some of the optional fields such as the Apache ID or the project
>> name should maybe be explained as less than optional. I’ve had the problem
>> recently that committers filled the ICLA without the optional fields, and
>> then the secretary asked for the ID and the project name. So this is
>> putting additional work on the secretary which could be avoided.
>>> In other words, it’s not that hard when you know the process, but when
>> you’re learning it and want to do the right thing by not bothering mentors
>> for everything, I think it is less straightforward than setting up an
>> account on Github, which I think is what a lot of people are comparing the
>> experience too (at least that’s the feedback I get usually).
>> Your Mentors are the ones who need to update the roster in Whimsy. It used
>> to be only the VP Incubator.
>> If a Mentor is not helping drive onboarding then they aren’t engaged.
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>> Regards,
>>>   Serge…
>>>> On 16 Oct 2018, at 10:06, Bertrand Delacretaz <
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 7:29 PM Benjamin Young <>
>> wrote:
>>>>> ...I've continued to reach out to other initial committers to get them
>> through the
>>>>> hoops here at Apache--which took <one of them> a few weeks of setup,
>> reading, etc...
>>>>> Mostly, I think folks find the process daunting. :-/...
>>>> I'm curious what's so hard, maybe we aren't explaining things properly?
>>>> IMO an initial or elected committer needs to choose an Apache ID,
>>>> register their iCLA, wait for their account to be created, sign up to
>>>> their project's dev (and maybe private) list and they're in business.
>>>> Ok, for now they also need to create accounts on Jira and Confluence
>>>> if the project uses that.
>>>> Is this what's considered too hard, or did I miss something?
>>>> -Bertrand
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