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From Gunnar Tapper <>
Subject Re: Poddlings length of time in the incubator
Date Mon, 03 Sep 2018 21:23:30 GMT

What's the main cause of a lengthy incubation period? Possibilities:

   1. Not understanding the Apache processes? This is teachable in most
   cases. Shouldn't take two years in most cases, especially if mentors guide
   the project through the release process.
   2. Contributors joining the project? Perhaps a bit of a "fashion issue"
   where people join the perceived cool projects. The hardest part here is to
   ensure independence from a single company.

Gut feel, I suspect that #2 is a lot harder than #1. It'd be interesting to
analyze contribution growth for the project that sit/sat in incubation for
a long time and then ask whether contribution growth is possible and
whether it's the only obstacle to graduation.

Stated in a different way: if there's little interest in a project's
technology but it does everything it can to attract contributors, then is
popularity a measure of whether a project is ready for graduation?



   1. Something else?

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 8:18 AM Pierre Smits <> wrote:

> I believe this kind of questioning will lead nowhere. Before a proposal for
> incubation is being accepted any statement made regarding this will be like
> wishful thinking or (explicitly) vague,  and after acceptance the reports
> will be more indicative about progress (and therefore making a given
> initial indication null and void) of community growth and adherence to ASF
> guidelines, policies and standards.
> Pierre Smits
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> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 12:30 AM, Justin Mclean <>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > > FWIW, for the DLab proposal [1], we added a voluntary incubation period
> > max of 2 years, essentially saying we didn’t want to become a resource
> > drain. I haven’t checked to see if any other projects have done this.
> >
> > Nice idea. I think we shovel add to the template “How long do you think
> > you'll spend in incubation” to the proposal template - what do others
> > think? At least they sets some expectations even if it’s not binding.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin


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