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From Matteo Merli <mme...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Pulsar (incubating) as a TLP
Date Wed, 12 Sep 2018 13:53:21 GMT
> We will make sure we clean up creator language.

Just following up here: the change was already made yesterday (
https://github.com/apache/incubator-pulsar/pull/2557). The website is not
yet updated because of unrelated issues in the website Jenkins job.
Hopefully it will be fixed in next few hours.

> Sounds fine to me. They just copied something that a TLP project probably
shouldn’t be doing. It not the first time that has happened with that
project.

Regarding affiliations for committers, I would say that it's not that we
have "copied" from the only TLP that had it in their "Team" page.
I just did a spot check and it seems to be a quite common practice across
the board. Few examples (taken ramdomly):
http://hive.apache.org/people.html
http://storm.apache.org/contribute/People.html
http://activemq.apache.org/team.html
http://camel.apache.org/team.html
http://zookeeper.apache.org/credits.html
http://avro.apache.org/credits.html


On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 11:38 PM Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Justin,
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 11, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >>> I'm curious to why organisations are mention on the team page [2]
> >>
> >> I think we've followed what other projects are doing. e.g.
> >> https://spark.apache.org/committers.html
> >>
> >> Any ASF policy on this that we can follow?
> >
> > Well projects should be independent [1] and lists who works for who may
> make some question that, Who you work for  should have no relevance on an
> Apache project and I would not expect it to be listed on a team page.
>
> I think that this is debatable. I’d love to discuss it. In the case of
> Pulsar it has been important in showing independence. Mentors and even
> Sally have worked through a couple of situations in the podling. She has
> offered to help out with a graduation announcement. We will make sure we
> clean up creator language.
>
> >
> > Re actually policy on this then yes [2] and in particular [3] Note:
> > "Should not include corporate affiliations of actual contributors.
> Committers are expected to participate in Apache projects as individuals,
> and not as representatives of any employers. Including corporate
> affiliations on pages that are primarily about the community of individuals
> on a project can give the wrong impression to new community members about
> the fact that projects are managed by PMCs of individuals, and not managed
> by outside organizations."
>
> We will cleanup this page on graduation.
>
> I’ll start the VOTE in the morning.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> > 1. http://community.apache.org/projectIndependence.html
> > 2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
> > 3. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking#whoweare
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Matteo Merli
<mmerli@apache.org>

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