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From Mike Drob <md...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Zipkin for Apache Incubator
Date Mon, 20 Aug 2018 04:45:27 GMT
+1

As a former PPMC on Apache Htrace during incubation, I hope to see Zipkin
succeed!

Mike

On Sun, Aug 19, 2018, 9:10 PM Byung-Gon Chun <bgchun@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1
>
> We've been using Zipkin. It's great to see this incubation proposal.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 3:09 AM, Davor Bonaci <davor@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > +1; this sounds great.
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 6:34 AM, 吴晟 Sheng Wu <wu.sheng@foxmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > > I think Skywalking may face the same issue, few people register the
> > > mailing
> > > list because lots of discussion happen in the github issues.
> > >
> > > Yes. Many people used to discuss on GitHub. We are OK with that. We
> have
> > > 38 discussion issues[1] in this 5.0.0-RC development iteration(only a
> > > month).
> > >
> > >
> > > > I'd be happy to be the mentor of this project if you are interested.I
> > > guess
> > > there is still a room for additional mentor.
> > > As some part of my daily work[2] is based on the work of zipkin, I can
> > > devote more time on this project.
> > >
> > >
> > > I added you in the mentor list. Thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-skywalking/issues?q=
> > > is%3Aissue+is%3Aclosed+label%3Aquestion+milestone%3A5.0.0-RC
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------
> > > Sheng Wu
> > > Apache SkyWalking
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------ Original ------------------
> > > From:  "willem.jiang"<willem.jiang@gmail.com>;
> > > Date:  Sun, Aug 19, 2018 07:36 AM
> > > To:  "general"<general@incubator.apache.org>;
> > >
> > > Subject:  Re: [PROPOSAL] Zipkin for Apache Incubator
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > +1. It's great that Zipkin can be a part of Apache Incubator project.
> > >
> > > After going through the discussion here[1], I can see Zipkin leverage
> > > Github infrastructure  a lot, we may need to figure out if we need to
> > setup
> > > the user mailing list for this project.
> > > I agree with what John has said, you may consider twice for migration
> > user
> > > discussion from github to apache mailing list.
> > > I think Skywalking may face the same issue, few people register the
> > mailing
> > > list because lots of discussion happen in the github issues.
> > >
> > > I'd be happy to be the mentor of this project if you are interested.I
> > guess
> > > there is still a room for additional mentor.
> > > As some part of my daily work[2] is based on the work of zipkin, I can
> > > devote more time on this project.
> > >
> > > [1] https://github.com/openzipkin/openzipkin.github.io/issues/51
> > > [2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-servicecomb-saga
> > >
> > > Willem Jiang
> > >
> > > Twitter: willemjiang
> > > Weibo: 姜宁willem
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 5:29 PM, Adrian Cole <adrian.f.cole@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would like to propose Zipkin as an Apache Incubator project.
> > > >
> > > > The text of the proposal can be found below as well as on the
> Incubator
> > > > wiki:
> > > >
> > > > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ZipkinProposal
> > > >
> > > > I believe we should have 3 mentors.. currently we have 2 (plus Wu
> > > > Sheng and I who are familiar but not mentor-grade :P). If another
> > > > person can volunteer to mentor us, would be sweet.
> > > >
> > > > -Adrian
> > > >
> > > > = Abstract =
> > > > Zipkin is a distributed tracing system. It helps gather timing data
> > > > needed to troubleshoot latency problems in microservice
> architectures.
> > > > It manages both the collection and lookup of this data. Zipkin’s
> > > > design is based on the Google Dapper paper.
> > > >
> > > > = Proposal =
> > > > Zipkin provides a defined data model and payload type for distributed
> > > > trace data collection. It also provides an UI and http api for
> > > > querying the data. Its server implements this api and includes
> > > > abstractions for storage and transport of trace payloads. The
> > > > combination of these parts avoid lock-in to a specific tracing
> > > > backend. For example, Zipkin includes integration with different open
> > > > source storage mechanisms like Apache Cassandra and Elasticsearch. It
> > > > also includes bridges to convert collected data and forward it to
> > > > service offerings such as Amazon X-Ray and Google Stackdriver.
> > > > Ecosystem offering extend this portability further.
> > > >
> > > > While primarily focused on the system, Zipkin also includes tracing
> > > > libraries which applications use to report timing information.
> > > > Zipkin's core organization includes tracer libraries written in Java,
> > > > Javascript, Go, PHP and Ruby. These libraries use the formats
> > > > mentioned above to report data, as well "B3" which is a header format
> > > > needed to send trace identifiers along with production requests. Many
> > > > Zipkin libraries can also send data directly to other services such
> as
> > > > Amazon X-Ray and Google Stackdriver, skipping any Zipkin
> > > > infrastructure. There are also more Zipkin tracing libraries outside
> > > > the core organization than inside it. This is due to the "OpenZipkin"
> > > > culture of promoting ecosystem work.
> > > >
> > > > = Background =
> > > > Zipkin began in 2012 at Twitter during a time they were investigating
> > > > performance problems underlying the "fail whale" seen by users. The
> > > > name Zipkin is from the Turkish word for harpoon: the harpoon that
> > > > will kill the failures! Incidentally, Zipkin was not the first
> tracing
> > > > system, it had roots in a former system at Twitter named
> > > > BigBrotherBird. It is due to BigBrotherBird that the de-facto tracing
> > > > headers we still use today include the prefix "X-B3".
> > > >
> > > > In 2015, a community of users noticed the project was not healthy in
> > > > so far as it hadn't progressed and often didn't accept pull requests,
> > > > and the Cassandra backend was stuck on an unmaintained library. For
> > > > example, the Apache Incubator H-Trace project started in some ways as
> > > > a reaction to the inability to customize the code. The root cause of
> > > > this was Twitter moving to internal storage (Manhattan) and also the
> > > > project not being managed as a product. By mid 2015, the community
> > > > regrouped as OpenZipkin and the codebase moved from Twitter to an org
> > > > also named OpenZipkin. This led to fast progress on concerns
> including
> > > > initially a server rewrite and Docker based deployment.
> > > >
> > > > In 2018, the second version of the data model completed, and along
> the
> > > > way, many new libraries became standard, including javascript, golang
> > > > and PHP. The community is dramatically larger than 2015, and Zipkin
> > > > remains the most popular tracing system despite heavy competition.
> > > >
> > > > = Rationale =
> > > > Zipkin is a de-facto distributed tracing system, which is more
> > > > important as architectures become more fine grained due to popularity
> > > > of microservice or even serverless architectures. Applications
> > > > transition to use more complex communication including asynchronous
> > > > code and service mesh, increasing the need for tools that visualize
> > > > the behavior of requests as they map across an architecture.
> > > >
> > > > Zipkin's server is focused only on distributed tracing. It is meant
> to
> > > > be used alongside existing logging and metrics systems. Generally,
> the
> > > > community optimizes brown field concerns such as interop over
> breaking
> > > > changes such as experimental features. The combination of code and
> > > > community make Zipkin a safe and easier choice for various sites to
> > > > introduce or grow their observability practice.
> > > >
> > > > = Initial Goals =
> > > > The initial goals are to mature OpenZipkin's community process. For
> > > > example, while OpenZipkin has a good collaborative process, it lacks
> > > > formality around project management functions defined in the Apache
> > > > Software Foundation (ASF). We also seek out help with brand abuse
> > > > which is becoming common practice in the competitive landscape, yet
> > > > demotivates volunteers. Towards volunteers, help with on boarding
> > > > summer of code and funding for those who cannot afford to get to
> > > > conferences on their own would be nice. Finally, we occasionally have
> > > > organizations who are constrained to only work with foundation
> > > > projects: ASF is often mentioned, and being in the ASF removes this
> > > > collaboration roadblock.
> > > >
> > > > Zipkin will not move all existing code into Apache. In fact, most
> > > > Zipkin ecosystem exists outside our org! The goal is to start with
> the
> > > > data formats and server code. Possibly the java client-side libraries
> > > > can move initially as well, depending on community feedback.
> > > >
> > > > = Current Status =
> > > > == Meritocracy ==
> > > > Zipkin is an active community of contributors who are encouraged to
> > > > become committers. A Zipkin committer understands the importance of
> > > > seeking community feedback, and the gravity of brown field concerns.
> > > > Committers express diverse interest by contributing beyond their
> sites
> > > > immediate needs and acknowledging features require diverse need
> before
> > > > being merged into the core repositories. A camaraderie between
> > > > committers and not yet committers exists and is re-inforced with face
> > > > to face meetups where possible. We expect this to continue and build
> > > > with incubation and ideally acceptance into the Apache Software
> > > > Foundation (ASF).
> > > >
> > > > Zipkin encourages involvement from its community members, and the
> > > > issues are open and available to any developers who wish to
> contribute
> > > > to the project. The Zipkin team currently seeks help and asks for
> > > > suggestions utilizing zipkin-user and zipkin-dev Google groups and
> > > > Gitter chat on https://gitter.im/openzipkin/zipkin. While all
> > > > contributions are reviewed, generally a "rule of three" policy on
> > > > diverse need must be met before a feature is considered standard.
> > > >
> > > > == Community ==
> > > > Zipkin has a highly active and growing community of users and
> > > > developers. The community is currently fostered on chat
> > > > https://gitter.im/openzipkin/zipkin and issues in their respective
> > > > GitHub repositories, notably the main server:
> > > > https://github.com/openzipkin/zipkin
> > > >
> > > > There are well over 1000 users in the chat room and hundreds who
> > > > contributed code to code in the main OpenZipkin GitHub org. Interest
> > > > metrics have grown dramatically: For example, in three years and a
> > > > month from when Zipkin began until the time OpenZipkin formed, its
> > > > main repository accumulated 2400 GitHub stars. In the same time
> after,
> > > > it accumulated over 6700. Other metrics such as blog count and
> > > > community meetings have similarly gone way up. We expect further
> > > > growth as more learn about Zipkin and can engage with Zipkin through
> > > > the guidance of the Apache Software Foundation (ASF).
> > > >
> > > > == Core Developers ==
> > > > The core contributors are a diverse group comprised of both
> > > > unaffiliated developers and those hailing from small to large
> > > > companies. They are scattered geographically, and some are highly
> > > > experienced industry as well as open source developers. Though their
> > > > backgrounds may be diverse, the contributors are united in their
> > > > belief in community driven software development.
> > > >
> > > > More detailed information on the core developers and contributors in
> > > > general can be found under the section on homogeneous developers.
> > > >
> > > > == Alignment ==
> > > > Zipkin adoption is growing, and it is no longer feasible for it to
> > > > remain as an isolated project. Apache is experienced in dealing with
> > > > software that is very widely accepted and has a growing audience. The
> > > > proposers believe that the Zipkin team can benefit from the ASF's
> > > > experience and its broad array of users and developers.
> > > >
> > > > Zipkin supports several Apache projects and options exist for
> > > > integration with others. Apache CXF, Apache Camel, Apache Incubator
> > > > SkyWalking and Apache Incubator HTrace all utilize Zipkin APIs in
> > > > their core repositories. Many more do via community extensions.
> Apache
> > > > Maven is primarily use by Zipkin, and can be used by projects who
> > > > build upon Zipkin projects.
> > > >
> > > > == Known Risks ==
> > > > === Orphaned products ===
> > > > Zipkin is already being utilized at multiple companies that are
> > > > actively participating in improving the code. The thriving community
> > > > centered around Zipkin has seen steady growth, and the project is
> > > > gaining traction with developers. The risks of the code being
> > > > abandoned are minimal.
> > > >
> > > > === Inexperience with Open Source ===
> > > > Zipkin rebooted its community in July 2015 and grown there for over
> > > > three years. Additionally, many of the committers have extensive
> > > > experience with other open source projects. Zipkin fosters a
> > > > collaborative and community-driven environment.
> > > >
> > > > In the interest of openly sharing technology and attracting more
> > > > community members, several of our developers also regularly attend
> > > > conferences in North America and Europe to give talks about Zipkin.
> > > > Zipkin meetups are also planned every few months for developers and
> > > > community members to come together in person and discuss ideas.
> > > >
> > > > === Homogenous Developers ===
> > > > At the time of the writing, OpenZipkin's core 12 developers all work
> > > > at different companies around the globe. Most operate their own
> > > > tracing sites, but some no longer operate sites at all: staying for
> > > > the community we've built. Our ASF champion, Mick Semb Wever, is both
> > > > a committer and an experienced ASF member.
> > > >
> > > > The Zipkin developers thrive upon the diversity of the community. The
> > > > Zipkin gitter channel is always active, and the developers often
> > > > collaborate on fixes and changes in the code. They are always happy
> to
> > > > answer users' questions as well.
> > > >
> > > > Zipkin is interested in continuing to expand and strengthen its
> > > > network of developers and community members through the ASF.
> > > >
> > > > === Reliance on Salaried Developers ===
> > > > Zipkin has one full time salaried developer, Adrian Cole. Though some
> > > > of the developers are paid by their employer to contribute to Zipkin,
> > > > many Zipkin developers contribute code and documentation on their own
> > > > time and have done so for a lengthy period. Given the current stream
> > > > of development requests and the committers' sense of ownership of the
> > > > Zipkin code, this arrangement is expected to continue with Zipkin'
> > > > induction into the ASF.
> > > >
> > > > === Relationships with Other Apache Products ===
> > > > Zipkin, Apache Incubator Skywalking and Apache Incubator HTrace
> > > > address similiar use cases. Most similarities are between Zipkin and
> > > > HTrace: Zipkin hopes to help serve the community formerly served by
> > > > HTrace, but understands the data services focus of HTrace may require
> > > > different tooling. SkyWalking addresses more feature surface than
> > > > Zipkin. For example, metrics collection is not a goal of Zipkin, yet
> > > > it is a goal of SkyWalking. SkyWalking accepts Zipkin formats and can
> > > > be used as a replacement server. SkyWalking PPMC member, Sheng Wu,
> has
> > > > been a routine member of Zipkin design discussions and has offered to
> > > > help Zipkin through ASF process.
> > > >
> > > > While Zipkin does not directly rely upon any Apache project, zipkin
> > > > supports several Apache projects. Apache CXF, Apache Camel, Apache
> > > > Incubator SkyWalking, Apache Incubator Dubbo, Apache Incubator
> > > > ServiceComb and Apache Incubator HTrace all utilize Zipkin APIs in
> > > > their core repositories. Many more do via community extensions.
> Apache
> > > > Maven is primarily use by Zipkin, and can be used by projects who
> > > > build upon Zipkin projects.
> > > >
> > > > === A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ===
> > > > Zipkin recognizes the fortitude of the Apache brand, but the
> > > > motivation for becoming an Apache project is to strengthen and expand
> > > > the Zipkin community and its user base. While the Zipkin community
> has
> > > > seen steady growth over the past several years, association with the
> > > > ASF is expected to expedite this pattern of growth. Development is
> > > > expected to continue on Zipkin under the Apache license whether or
> not
> > > > it is supported by the ASF.
> > > >
> > > > == Documentation ==
> > > > The Zipkin project documentation is publicly available at the
> following
> > > > sites:
> > > >
> > > >   * https://zipkin.io: project overview
> > > >   * http://zipkin.io/zipkin-api/#/: swagger specification
> > > >   * https://github.com/openzipkin/b3-propagation: header formats
> > > >   * https://zipkin.io/zipkin/: Javadocs for the Zipkin server
> > > >
> > > > == Initial Source ==
> > > > The initial source is located on GitHub in the following
> repositories:
> > > >
> > > >   * git://github.com/OpenZipkin/zipkin.git
> > > >   * git://github.com/OpenZipkin/zipkin-dependencies.git
> > > >   * git://github.com/OpenZipkin/zipkin-api.git
> > > >   * git://github.com/OpenZipkin/b3-propagation.git
> > > >   * git://github.com/OpenZipkin/docker-zipkin.git
> > > >   * git://github.com/OpenZipkin/docker-zipkin-dependencies.git
> > > >   * git://github.com/openzipkin/zipkin-reporter-java
> > > >   * git://github.com/openzipkin/brave
> > > >   * git://github.com/openzipkin/zipkin-aws
> > > >   * git://github.com/openzipkin/docker-zipkin-aws
> > > >   * git://github.com/openzipkin/zipkin-azure
> > > >   * git://github.com/openzipkin/docker-zipkin-azure
> > > >   * git://github.com/openzipkin/zipkin-gcp
> > > >   * git://github.com/openzipkin/docker-zipkin-gcp
> > > >   * git://github.com/openzipkin/brave-cassandra
> > > >   * git://github.com/openzipkin/docker-jre-full
> > > >   * git://github.com/openzipkin/brave-karaf
> > > >
> > > > Depending on community progress, other repositories may be moved as
> > well
> > > >
> > > > == Source and Intellectual Property Submission Plan ==
> > > > Zipkin's initial source is licensed under the Apache License, Version
> > > > 2.0. https://github.com/openzipkin/zipkin/blob/master/LICENSE
> > > >
> > > > All source code is copyrighted to 'The OpenZipkin Authors', to which
> > > > the existing core community(members list in Initial Committers) has
> > > > the rights to re-assign to the ASF.
> > > >
> > > > == External Dependencies ==
> > > > This is a listing of Maven coordinates for all of the external
> > > > dependencies Zipkin uses. All of the dependencies are in Sonatype and
> > > > their licenses should be accessible.
> > > >
> > > > == Cryptography ==
> > > > Zipkin contains no cryptographic algorithms.
> > > >
> > > > = Required Resources =
> > > > == Mailing Lists ==
> > > >   * Zipkin-dev: for development discussions
> > > >   * Zipkin-user: for community discussions
> > > >   * Zipkin-private: for PPMC discussions
> > > >   * Zipkin-commits: for code changes
> > > >
> > > > == Git Repositories ==
> > > > The Zipkin team is experienced in git and requests to transfer GitHub
> > > > repositories(list in Initial Source) to Apache.
> > > >
> > > > == Issue Tracking ==
> > > > The community would like to continue using GitHub Issues.
> > > >
> > > > = Initial Committers =
> > > >   * Zoltán Nagy
> > > >   * Adrian Cole, Pivotal
> > > >   * Bas van Beek
> > > >   * Brian Devins
> > > >   * Eirik Sletteberg
> > > >   * Jeanneret Pierre-Hugues
> > > >   * Jordi Polo Carres
> > > >   * José Carlos Chávez
> > > >   * Kristof Adriaenssens
> > > >   * Lance Linder
> > > >   * Mick Semb Wever,
> > > >   * Tommy Ludwig
> > > >
> > > > = Champion =
> > > >  * Michael Semb Wever, mck@apache.org
> > > >
> > > > = Mentors =
> > > >  * Michael Semb Wever, mck@apache.org
> > > >  * Andriy Redko, reta@apache.org
> > > >
> > > > = Sponsoring Entity =
> > > > We are requesting the Apache Incubator to sponsor this project.
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Byung-Gon Chun
>

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