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From Dave Fisher <>
Subject Re: Podling Report Reminder - July 2018
Date Thu, 05 Jul 2018 18:35:29 GMT
Hi -

> On Jul 5, 2018, at 4:45 AM, Edward Capriolo <> wrote:
> Also at one point the project was assigned a "shepard" who never signed off
> on a single report even when the project was active. His first interaction
> for the project was vote to moth ball it.

There is a difference between Mentors and Shepherds. A shepherd is assigned for a reporting
cycle to look into the podling to see how things are going. I was assigned as shepherd this
month and have left my comments along with an email. Your mentors are supposed to provide
guidance in the Apache Way. If your mentors are absent then that is a different matter. If
you would like new mentors then please ask here on this list.

If on the other hand the Gossip community feels that the Apache Way and particularly the release
process is too much process and not enough coding then that is your choice.


> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 7:35 AM, Edward Capriolo <>
> wrote:
>> I want to get this out there. I do not know why everyone is stuck on
>> gossip. There are some TLP that do not have activity for years and podlings
>> much older then gossip. I can give numerous examples.
>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 1:10 PM, John D. Ament <>
>> wrote:
>>> That sounds like retirement to me.  The way I've always seen it is that
>>> podlings don't fail, the people behind them simply had a change in
>>> priorities.
>>> Gossip is a great toolkit that I believe people will continue to use.
>>> John
>>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 12:44 PM Josh Elser <> wrote:
>>>> I've been trying to be patient around this, but I think this month's
>>>> incubator report must be "Gossip is going to exit incubation" (I'm not
>>>> sure what the proper verb is here; I only know that "retire" is wrong)
>>>> We've gone through many months where the only traffic I've seen on the
>>>> mailing list are the report reminders.
>>>> This doesn't need to be interpreted as "Gossip is a failure at the ASF"
>>>> or anything of the such. It just means "It's not the right time for
>>>> Gossip at the ASF incubator". By all means, we can bring it back into
>>>> incubation if we get some more community traction behind the project.
>>>> On 6/27/18 5:41 PM, wrote:
>>>>> Dear podling,
>>>>> This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
>>>>> Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to
>>>>> prepare your quarterly board report.
>>>>> The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 18 July 2018, 10:30 am PDT.
>>>>> The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC
>>>>> report. The Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks
>>>>> before the board meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and
>>>>> submission (Wed, July 04).
>>>>> Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the Incubator
>>>>> PMC, and subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the
>>>>> very latest you should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the
>>> board
>>>>> meeting.
>>>>> Candidate names should not be made public before people are actually
>>>>> elected, so please do not include the names of potential committers or
>>>>> PPMC members in your report.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> The Apache Incubator PMC
>>>>> Submitting your Report
>>>>> ----------------------
>>>>> Your report should contain the following:
>>>>> *   Your project name
>>>>> *   A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of
>>>>>     the project or necessarily of its field
>>>>> *   A list of the three most important issues to address in the move
>>>>>     towards graduation.
>>>>> *   Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to
>>> be
>>>>>     aware of
>>>>> *   How has the community developed since the last report
>>>>> *   How has the project developed since the last report.
>>>>> *   How does the podling rate their own maturity.
>>>>> This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
>>>>> Note: This is manually populated. You may need to wait a little before
>>>>> this page is created from a template.
>>>>> Mentors
>>>>> -------
>>>>> Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them off
>>> on
>>>>> the Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are
>>>>> following the project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms
>>>>> for the Incubator PMC.
>>>>> Incubator PMC
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