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From Ryan Blue <>
Subject Re: Looking for Champion
Date Mon, 18 Jun 2018 20:12:58 GMT
Okay, then let me rephrase: I would like to see a plan in the Palo proposal
for a licensing scrub to be done before graduation.

I'm still a little skeptical about this practice because the Incubator PMC
validates the release on behalf of the foundation, but I think that's a
separate issue to consider that doesn't need to distract on this Palo
thread. Thanks for the explanation, Greg!

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 1:00 PM, Greg Stein <> wrote:

> Heya Ryan,
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 2:39 PM Ryan Blue <> wrote:
>> > we have allowed (and IMO should continue) podlings to have licensing
>> issues during their incubator releases
>> Thanks for pointing this out, Greg. I wasn't aware of this and have
>> always had releases fail when we discover licensing issues. I think there's
>> a significant risk of license problems, so I had assumed we would require a
>> thorough scrub before the first release.
>> What's the argument for finishing this work before graduation rather than
>> first release? Isn't the release a product for which the ASF is legally
>> responsible? Given that we fail releases for known license issues,
>> shouldn't we also be more careful when we know there are likely to be
>> issues?
> This is why incubator releases have a disclaimer. It gives them time to
> work through dependency and licensing issues, even while they're testing
> their release process with our KEYS and distribution framework. So the
> "argument" is simply to allow the podling to multitask, rather than gate
> one of their activities.
> When you really want to lift the cover, there isn't a problem if a podling
> releases (say) a hard LGPL dependency. That's just a policy choice of the
> Foundation, to avoid such dependencies. We don't like it, and maybe some
> messed up licensing downstream, possibly, for somebody to tease apart. But
> historically, the Incubator has let these issues slide for a while, yet
> gate on graduation.
> I also feel that podling releases are in a grey area, that don't truly
> have the full backing of the ASF (thus the disclaimer, and them not being a
> TLP; although technically the Apache Incubator is the stand-in PMC behind
> the release).
> Cheers,
> -g

Ryan Blue
Software Engineer

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