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From sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Redirecting pagespeed.incubator.apache.org to modpagespeed.com
Date Sun, 15 Apr 2018 14:08:17 GMT
On 15 April 2018 at 14:48, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is unreasonable to assume a podling can do everything on Day One.
>
> Incubation is a *process*, not an instantaneous production of effort.
>
> While the website work is being performed, having
> podling.incubator.apache.org NOT produce a 404 is useful.
>
> Having that page describe the podling is in the Incubator, adding the
> disclaimer, and saying "over <there> is our original site" is useful.
>
> IMO, you're being unreasonable.

But is it reasonable for the podling ASF website to redirect to their
existing site which does not have the disclaimer and contains
downloads that are not ASF releases and not identified as such?

i.e. would the *content* of

https://www.modpagespeed.com

be acceptable if it were hosted at

http://pagespeed.incubator.apache.org

I don't think that would be right.

> -g
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:22 AM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> My input is a point for pagespeed to consider.  Personally, I'm not
>> comfortable with what's proposed by Druid but it's not worth muddying up
>> pagespeed's inquiry.  My preference is for a podling to get their website
>> moved over quickly (and we need to figure out how to help them make that
>> move quickly).  What I do believe though is that our branding requirements
>> would propagate over to that website as well (which it sounds like Druid
>> has a bit wrong, at least in my take).
>>
>> - Redirecting to another website that's hosting your docs doesn't remove
>> the need for proper naming, so it should be Apache Druid (incubating) or
>> Apache PageSpeed (incubating) upon first entry.
>> - Even if the website is hosted elsewhere, I still expect to see the
>> disclaimer.
>> - The downloads page should indicate these are not Apache releases.
>>
>> Perhaps Mark T has some more input on the branding and naming aspects.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 12:02 AM Julian Hyde <jhyde.apache@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I (as a Druid mentor) suggested the placeholder page, for the exact
>> > reasons Greg describes. Short term, I promise, and better than a 404.
>> >
>> > Julian
>> >
>> > > On Apr 13, 2018, at 20:15, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > One step at a time. If they want to throw a single page up *today*
>> rather
>> > > than wait six weeks to fully port their website... I would take the
>> page.
>> > > We already had an inquiry on Druid of where their site is.
>> > >
>> > > A placeholder is better than a 404. Unless, of course, you are
>> personally
>> > > volunteering to quickly move their entire site and workflow... ?
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > -g
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 22:03 John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
>> > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Gian, Otto,
>> > >>
>> > >> I can tell you that the proposed plan from Druid is not an OK plan
>> from
>> > my
>> > >> perspective.  One of your short term goals should be moving
>> > infrastructure
>> > >> over to the ASF.  This includes moving your website over.  Redirecting
>> > your
>> > >> ASF webpage to your old webpage will not fly.
>> > >>
>> > >> While we can't give the same level of support as you would see on
>> github
>> > >> pages (maybe we'll get there one day), setting up builds in Jenkins
or
>> > >> Buildbot is pretty straight forward.  Even the incubator website runs
>> in
>> > >> this model.
>> > >>
>> > >> It's perfectly acceptable to link to pre-Apache releases on your
>> > website.
>> > >> I'm not sure if any of the docs lead you to believe otherwise, but
>> this
>> > is
>> > >> a fine thing to do.  They just need to be clearly marked as not Apache
>> > >> releases.
>> > >>
>> > >> The disclaimer that we request is meant to be shown on all pages of
>> the
>> > >> podling's website.  Not just the landing page.  If these are user
>> facing
>> > >> documents, then they must have the disclaimer on them.
>> > >>
>> > >> John
>> > >>
>> > >>> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 5:42 PM Gian Merlino <gian@imply.io>
wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Hi Otto,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I am just another podling committer, so this isn't authoritative
>> > advice,
>> > >>> but for Druid's incubating page we are planning to put up a
>> placeholder
>> > >>> page with a link to the current community site. It isn't up yet,
but
>> > the
>> > >>> html we are planning to use is here:
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-druid-website/blob/
>> asf-site/index.html
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Our rationale was:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> 1) Before the site is migrated, it's better to have a placeholder
>> than
>> > a
>> > >>> 404.
>> > >>> 2) A placeholder with a link can make it more clear that the releases
>> > on
>> > >>> druid.io are not Apache releases.
>> > >>> 3) A placeholder helps satisfy the requirement that podling web
sites
>> > >> must
>> > >>> have an incubation disclaimer (
>> > >>> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html).
>> > >>>
>> > >>> When we migrate the community site to Apache infra then it would
>> > replace
>> > >>> the placeholder.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Gian
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 2:09 PM, Otto van der Schaaf <
>> > oschaaf@apache.org
>> > >>>
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> Hi all,
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Currently pagespeed.incubator.apache.org responds with a 404,
which
>> > >>> isn't
>> > >>>> very nice.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> So now we are wondering if there are any concerns with issueing
a
>> > >>> temporary
>> > >>>> redirect to
>> > >>>> modpagespeed.com.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> One concern could be that modpagespeed.com links to code /
releases
>> > >> that
>> > >>>> have not yet been
>> > >>>> through the formal Apache release process. Would explicitly
>> mentioning
>> > >>> that
>> > >>>> fact
>> > >>>> be sufficient to address it?
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> I would be grateful for any input / guidance on this topic.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Kind regards,
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Otto
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> >
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