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From Ted Dunning <>
Subject Re: Challenges using Gitbox
Date Mon, 16 Apr 2018 20:52:05 GMT
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Ralph Goers <>

> > On Apr 16, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Maxime Beauchemin <
>> wrote:
> >
> > About PMs, or other "non-coding contributors", it's pretty common to have
> > them at sponsoring organizations. For example both Airbnb and Lyft both
> > have a dedicated PM for Apache Superset. While they don't write code,
> they
> > contribute to the project and many other ways (prioritization / planning
> /
> > road-mapping, shaping product design, communication, training,
> > documentation, bug reports, issue triaging,  organizing events, ...). It
> > sounds like the solution is to make them committers to provide them with
> > the level of control they need on Github.
> I have a problem with the way this is phrased. Companies do not do the
> prioritization, planning, road-mapping, shaping product-design, etc of ASF
> projects. The committers and PMC members do that.

The phrasing is problematic, clearly.

But managers at companies *do* have an outsized influence because they can
divert a substantial amount of people-power to particular issues. As such,
the priority setting, road mapping and triaging that they are doing is done
to keep the corporation's efforts coherent. Keeping these efforts coherent
is actually a community service, as I see it. Doing these efforts off-list
is a disservice, however, and is a common anti-pattern in communities.

Overall, I think that it is great if somebody takes a strong and public
position to help organize efforts of the community and I think that efforts
like that should be recognized. At the same time, I am strenuously of the
opinion that doing the same thing off-list is something that should not be

The difference is probably not clear to most corporate overlords.

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