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From Daniel Dekany <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Resolution to graduate Apache FreeMarker to TLP
Date Wed, 07 Feb 2018 22:42:11 GMT
Wednesday, February 7, 2018, 11:15:45 PM, Woonsan Ko wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Dave Fisher <> wrote:
>> Hi -
>> How has the Freemarker podling grown it’s community? I see no one on the proposed
PMC who was not either an Initial Committer or a Mentor.
>> I don’t see anyone new on the roster in whimsy.[1]
> Comparing with the initial proposal [2] (linked from [1]), I see new
> names (including myself) in PPMC: Jacques Le Roux, Woonsan Ko
> Nan Lei became a committer afterward as well.

Also, as of the Mentors, 3 of them, who weren't part of the project
before entering the Incubator, has decided to stay as PMC members. I
understand if that growth counts differently, but as far as ensuring
that there are people who can make releases and such (which is what
our user base mostly cares about), it's a growth.

Other than that, we got some increase in non-committer activity, even
if that just means bug reports, feature request, and some patches, and
not people who commit themselves to a more involved role.

BTW, it should be clear that FreeMarker is a very old, long
established project. Things to do that are under a certain pain
threshold were certainly already done by now. Also, an old code base
with many backward compatibility constraints is rarely attractive for
unpaid contributors, and there are no paid ones here. (The 3.0 branch
happens to solve this legacy code problem, but it's in early stage.)
So it was quite clear from the beginning that no big growth will
happen here. The more realistic goal was having more people who can,
both legally and technically, accept PR-s and do releases. (And also
having a legal owner that can't be gone over night, of course.) And
that was achieved.

> Regards,
> Woonsan
> [2]
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> [1]
>>> On Feb 6, 2018, at 9:38 AM, Daniel Dekany <> wrote:
>>> The FreeMarker community has discussed and voted positively on
>>> graduating to a TLP. We'd like to initiate this discussion to
>>> establish a consensus within the Incubator, and if appropriate, will
>>> initiate a recommendation vote.
>>> Status page:
>>> Community Discussion:
>>> - Project maturity model:
>>> - Graduation discussion:<>
>>> - Resolution discussion:<>
>>> Community Vote:
>>> The proposed Resolution of the Apache FreeMarker project:
>>> ------
>>> Establish the Apache FreeMarker Project
>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
>>> the public, related to a template engine.
>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache FreeMarker Project",
>>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>> Foundation; and be it further
>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby is
>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
>>> related to a template engine, and be it further
>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache FreeMarker" be
>>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>>> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>>> of the Apache FreeMarker Project, and to have primary responsibility
>>> for management of the projects within the scope of
>>> responsibility of the Apache FreeMarker Project; and be it further
>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>>> Apache FreeMarker Project:
>>>  * Dániel Dékány                   <>
>>>  * David E. Jones                  <>
>>>  * Jacopo Cappellato               <>
>>>  * Jacques Le Roux                 <>
>>>  * Nan Lei                         <>
>>>  * Sergio Fernández                <>
>>>  * Woonsan Ko                      <>
>>> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache FreeMarker,
>>> to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>>> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>>> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>>> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache FreeMarker Project be and hereby
>>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>> Incubator FreeMarker podling; and be it further
>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>>> Incubator FreeMarker podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>> Project are hereafter discharged.
>>> ------
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>> Daniel Dekany
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