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From "John D. Ament" <johndam...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Apache AriaTosca Release 0.2.0
Date Fri, 12 Jan 2018 03:52:13 GMT
I want to wrap this up in a way that follow precedent.  While Groovy was
incubating, we voted on their source releases.  Their source releases
followed incubator policies - including the -incubating in the source
release file name.  The output from the Groovy releases though (the
convenience binaries) all omitted the -incubating suffix.  I believe we can
follow that same pattern here - the pypi packages (convenience binaries)
don't include -incubating, but the source release does.

So I'm staying with my +1, based on this and the explanation Tal gave for
the Clearwater samples.

John

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 7:32 AM Thomas Nadeau <tnadeau@apache.org> wrote:

> I agree on explicit clarity, especially in the cases of incubation projects
> where people might be new to this whole process.
> I personally scoured the available documentation yesterday after this came
> up and just didn't have the time to chime in,
> but I didn't find any specific guidance.
>
> I agree with Tal here %100. Apache needs to have clear instructions on how
> to handle this situation.  After this
> discussion is clarified, can we ensure someone takes the action to update
> the apache docs?  I am happy to help
> with this if I can.
>
> --Tom
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 7:52 PM, Tal Liron <tal@cloudify.co> wrote:
>
> > The line mentioned is not in NOTICE. The line is specifically a comment
> in
> > a file used to download/install a 3rd party product on the cloud. I truly
> > think we are in the clear here.
> >
> > Re: Python packaging. Apache Airflow is also in incubation and also, like
> > AriaTosca, does not have the "-incubating" in its Python package name.
> >
> > I think it's time we had some clarity here regarding policy and apply it
> to
> > all projects. AriaTosca would of course comply with whatever is decided.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 6:44 PM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 10 January 2018 at 17:10, Tal Liron <tal@cloudify.co> wrote:
> > > > John, the line is relevant. The service template in question is used
> to
> > > > install and deploy Clearwater IMS.
> > >
> > > The NOTICE and LICENSE files are ONLY for files that are actually
> > > included in the release archive.
> > >
> > > > I believe users should know what they are installing.
> > >
> > > Yes, but not in NOTICE.
> > > There should be a prompt to ask the user whether it's OK to install the
> > > code.
> > > The license can be mentioned at that point.
> > >
> > > A separate issue is whether the dependency on the GPL code is OK.
> > > Will the product run without the download?
> > > The general rule is that Cat X dependencies (includes GPL) must be
> > > optional.
> > >
> > > http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#optional
> > >
> > > > I don't know if we can include a suffix easily, and wonder why need
> to
> > > > change it now -- it will make it harder for users to upgrade if there
> > are
> > > > two different package names.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:57 AM, John D. Ament <
> johndament@apache.org
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:35 AM Tal Liron <tal@cloudify.co>
wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Hi Justin,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Project Clearwater is GNU GPLv3, however it is not included in
> this
> > > >> > distribution. These two files are Apache licensed. The line you
> > quote
> > > is
> > > >> > merely informational.
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> That line should be removed, as it is not relevant to the release
> > > contents
> > > >> then.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > That tarball and wheel file you are looking at are not Apache
> > > >> > distributions, but rather Python packages. Are you sure they
need
> to
> > > have
> > > >> > "-incubating" in the name?
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> As far as I can tell, this is a limitation of the pypi packages, and
> > the
> > > >> source release includes the proper naming.  I see that in the 0.1.1
> > > >> release, this issue didn't come up.  Do you know if we can include
a
> > > suffix
> > > >> this like, or would pypi treat this as a part of the version #?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 1:15 AM, Justin Mclean <
> justinmclean@me.com
> > >
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > Hi,
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > -1 binding as releases don't have incubating in the name.
> > > >> > > apache-ariatosca-0.2.0.tar.gz
> > > >> > > apache_ariatosca-0.2.0-py2-none-any.whl
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Also can you confirm the license of these two files  [1][2]
as
> > they
> > > >> > > contain:
> > > >> > > "Project Clearwater is an open-source IMS core, developed
by
> > > Metaswitch
> > > >> > > Networks and released under the GNU GPLv3."
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I checked:
> > > >> > > - incubating missing in release name
> > > >> > > - signatures and hashes correct
> > > >> > > - DISCLAIMER exists
> > > >> > > - LICENSE and NOTICE correct
> > > >> > > - no unexpected binaries in source release
> > > >> > > - all source files have ASF headers
> > > >> > > - couldn’t compile from source but probably my environment
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Thanks,
> > > >> > > Justin
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > 1. apache-ariatosca-0.2.0-incubating.tar/apache-
> > > >> > > ariatosca-0.2.0-incubating/examples/clearwater/
> > > >> > > clearwater-live-test-existing.yaml
> > > >> > > 2. apache-ariatosca-0.2.0-incubating.tar/apache-
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > ariatosca-0.2.0-incubating/examples/clearwater/
> > > >> clearwater-single-existing.
> > > >> > > yaml
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