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From "John D. Ament" <johndam...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] SkyWalking - proposal for Apache Incubation
Date Wed, 29 Nov 2017 13:44:18 GMT
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 5:59 AM sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:

> Top posting
>
> The proposal includes a user@ mailing list.
> This is generally not recommended for podlings as their focus needs to
> be on building the developer community.
>

Podlings are more than welcomed to include user@ lists.  There's nothing
stopping them from building developers and users at the same time.


>
> Once a podling graduates, the user@ list can be created, and any
> external user mailing list subscribers can migrate across.
>
> This also works better if the podling does not graduate.
>
>
> On 29 November 2017 at 07:15, 吴晟 <wu.sheng@foxmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi, Incubator Community people, and Romain
> >
> > My name is Sheng Wu, the founder and PMC member of SkyWalking APM
> project. I and other contributors of SkyWalking are glad to join the Apache
> Community, and welcome everyone to join ASF.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry for forgetting close the old donation. Please recheck that issue:
> https://github.com/cncf/toc/issues/50 . I have close that issue and
> proposal.
> >
> >
> > ------------------ 原始邮件 ------------------
> > 发件人: "Romain Manni-Bucau";<rmannibucau@gmail.com>;
> > 发送时间: 2017年11月29日(星期三) 下午3:11
> > 收件人: "general@incubator.apache.org"<general@incubator.apache.org>;
> >
> > 主题: Re: [PROPOSAL] SkyWalking - proposal for Apache Incubation
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Mick
> >
> > I'm generally +1 and would be very happy to help but before voting can
> > you clarify the position with other donations like
> > https://github.com/cncf/toc/issues/50 please?
> >
> > Romain Manni-Bucau
> > @rmannibucau |  Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn
> >
> >
> > 2017-11-29 7:58 GMT+01:00 mck <mck@apache.org>:
> >> Dear Apache Incubator Community,
> >>
> >> Please accept the following proposal for presentation and discussion:
> >>   https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/SkyWalkingProposal
> >>
> >> SkyWalking is a distributed tracing solution that provides automatic
> >> instrumentation, coming from a community of Chinese contributors. This
> >> community has been involved with and part of the Distributed Tracing
> >> workshops held by Adrian Cole (who maintains and develops Zipkin) and
> >> the OpenTracing initiative.
> >>
> >> Sheng Wu reached out to me recently asking me to Champion the proposal
> >> because of my involvement with OpenTracing, Zipkin, and these
> >> Distributed Tracing workshops. The whole SkyWalking community has
> >> demonstrated a keenness to join Apache, as is seen on their GitHub
> >> issues discussing the matter. I'm excited to have been asked and have
> >> gladly accepted. Furthermore at last year's ApacheCon in Vancouver I met
> >> Luke Han during the ASF media workshop and watched his presentation
> >> about the challenges of opening up ASF to chinese communities and
> >> developers. Because of this we have reached out to Luke Han as an
> >> additional mentor. The result of this was that Sheng met Luke in person
> >> last weekend in Shanghai. Sheng also met Nicolas Hedhman in Shanghai.
> >> And Willem Ning Jiang has also been added as a mentor, who is also from
> >> Huawei and is currently involved in the ServiceComb proposal. Otherwise
> >> I'm aware that I'm new to the Incubator and its processes, so any
> >> additional mentors familiar with the finer details and precedence will
> >> be most welcomed.
> >>
> >> regards,
> >> Mick
> >>
> >> ----
> >>
> >> = Abstract =
> >> Skywalking is an APM (application performance monitor), especially for
> >> microservice, Cloud Native and container-based architecture systems.
> >> Also known as a distributed tracing system. It provides an automatic way
> >> to instrument applications: no need to change any of the source code of
> >> the target application; and an collector with an very high efficiency
> >> streaming module.
> >>
> >> = Proposal =
> >> The goal of this proposal is to bring the existing Skywalking
> >> https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/skywalking codebase and existing
> >> developers and community into the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) in
> >> order to build a global, diverse and self-governed open source community
> >> in APM field.
> >>
> >> This project started in Open Source on GitHub about more than 2 years
> >> ago. Beginning with a small SDK and collector. So far the OpenSkywalking
> >> https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/Organization governs the project
> >> through the PMC and Committer Team. The major contributors are from
> >> Huawei DevCloud Team, Tydic, Oneapm (APM vendor),  Alibaba Group,
> >> dangdang.com and cloudwise (APM vendor).
> >>
> >> OpenSkywalking is submitting this proposal to donate the Skywalking
> >> sources code and  associated artifacts (documentation, web site content,
> >> wiki, etc.) to the Apache Software Foundation Incubator under the Apache
> >> License, Version 2.0. These artifacts are currently available on GitHub
> >> at https://github.com/OpenSkywalking and include:
> >>  * Skywalking: The java sniffer(agent) for collecting data, and
> >>  collector for analysing and persistence.
> >>  * Skywalking-UI: The web UI for skywalking APM
> >>
> >> Voted on submitting the proposal to the Incubator.
> >> https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/Organization/issues/11
> >>
> >> = Background =
> >> Mircro-service, Cloud Native and container-based architecture system are
> >> becoming more and more popular, so the traditional monitoring, like
> >> application loggings, can provide less information because of the
> >> distributed isolates the relations. Based on the Google Dapper paper
> >> https://research.google.com/pubs/pub36356.html, many tracing systems
> >> born. The OpenSkywalking organisation was created with  Skywalking made
> >> based on tracing, but not just tracing, it adds additional value by
> >> reducing the sniffer (agent) cost, analysis and visualization.
> >>
> >> In 2015, Skywalking project started, when service-oriented architecture
> >> became popular. At first, skywalking provided a very simple SDK, and
> >> collected data into a HBASE cluster. After we opened on the GitHub, the
> >> community gives the feedbacks about how difficult to maintain a HBase
> >> cluster, even harder than the applications under monitored. So, in 2.x
> >> 2016, skywalking provided a self-designed storage, and update the SDK to
> >> a javaagent with supporting auto-instrumentation. Then since 2017, more
> >> and more contributors joined, we set up the PMC team and committer team.
> >> Skywalking evolved to an APM, and more and more features provided since
> >> then.
> >>
> >> = Rationale =
> >> Skywalking includes these primary parts:
> >>  1. Provide an anto-instrument sniffer, which is based on Javaagent and
> >>  collects events and traces happened inside JVM, with little CPU/Memory
> >>  cost.
> >>  2. An extendable `tracing data protocol suit` with gRPC and HTTP
> >>  implementations, is compatible for other language agent or SDK.
> >>  3. Provide Collector, which accepts the `tracing data protocol suit`,
> >>  and does the analysis and aggregation inside for detecting the
> >>  relationships among applications and services, generating the metrics,
> >>  and altering.
> >>  4. Provided our own UI, which visualizes the topological graph of
> >>  related applications and services, trace stack, metrics and alerting.
> >>
> >> Also, Skywalking team is passionate about community cooperations.
> >> Skywalking is a supported tracer and member of OpenTracing
> >> http://opentracing.io . Also we take part in the  TraceContext Specs
> >> https://github.com/TraceContext/tracecontext-spec , which is about
> >> `tracing context propagation format`. The founder of the project, Sheng
> >> Wu, is the member of these organizations,
> >>
> >> There is a strong need for an open, easy-to-use APM towards helping
> >> today's DevOps people to monitor their running systems, while also being
> >> easy and transparent to maintain and modify.
> >> The Skywalking has been an hot open source project in GitHub. We feel
> >> that by moving to Apache it will help us work in a more global and open
> >> way, presenting the project as a commercial friendly but vendor neutral
> >> technology. Under Apache's strong governance and existing processes,
> >> hope is also to make the Skywalking releases more reliable, as is
> >> crucial for monitoring systems running in any Application Zone.
> >>
> >> = Initial Goals =
> >> Our initial goals are to bring Skywalking into the ASF. The most
> >> important things are following ASF's governance module, and integrating
> >> with Apache development process. Also moving the existing codebase to an
> >> Apache git repository.
> >>
> >> = Current Status =
> >> == Meritocracy ==
> >> Skywalking was originally created by Sheng Wu,  吴晟
> >> https://github.com/wu-sheng himself in May 2015, and opened in GitHub
> in
> >> Nov. 8th, 2015. The project now has committers and users from many
> >> companies. The newer committers of the project are guided by the existed
> >> PMC and Committer Team members, by reviewing and discussing with them.
> >> When they are ready, PMC will start a vote to promote him/her to become
> >> a member of PMC and Committer Team.
> >> Also after the founder, Sheng Wu, joined Huawei in 2017, Huawei DevCloud
> >> decided to contribute and support the project. So he personally leads
> >> the interested developers, and helps them to join the community quickly
> >> and efficiently. Now we have set `Huawei Devcloud Contributor Team` for
> >> them.
> >> Contributions are always welcomed, highly valued. A lot of energy is
> >> allocated to ensure help to all wishing to contribute.
> >>
> >> == Community ==
> >> OpenSkwaylking is supported by 5 companies: Huawei, shurenyun.com,
> >> dangdang.com, tydic, nutz.cn , which are both contributing to the
> >> project and also used it in product, also provide many important
> >> feedbacks from their actual scenarios.
> >> The contributors, who can provide employer informantions, are from
> >> Huawei DevCloud Team, Tydic, Oneapm (APM vendor), Alibaba Group,
> >> dangdang.com, cloudwise (APM vendor), jd.com, cig.cn, hecom.cn, and
> >> www.suixingpay.com.
> >>
> >> == Core Developers ==
> >> The core developers are a diverse group of experienced open source
> >> developers and team leaders.
> >>  * PMC members –
> >>
> https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/Organization/blob/master/README.md#project-management-committee-pmc
> >>  * Committer Team members –
> >>
> https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/Organization/blob/master/README.md#committer-team
> >>
> >> == Known Risks ==
> >> The project is well known in global tracing and APM field, and live more
> >> than 2 years. We are not sure there exists a risk, but definitely have a
> >> challenge for us. So far, the contributors, committers and confirmed
> >> product use cases are all from China.
> >> === Language and Culture ===
> >> Concerns have been raised about language challenges and, as is typical
> >> for developers not strong in english, aware that the community can be
> >> shy in a debate or disagreement when english is used. Having looked
> >> through the project's history this concern can be seen to be minor. The
> >> commitlog is in english, and so are the tickets and the pull requests.
> >> The website and documentation is equally both english and chinese. The
> >> community has been strict upon itself to ensure it became and stays so.
> >> The use of chinese should not be seen as a problem, it is a multilingual
> >> world, but it is important that english speakers feel included and able
> >> to contribute freely to the project without having to ask for
> >> translations. To deal with poor or broken english it's important that a
> >> gentler and inclusive community is fostered.
> >>
> >> == Orphaned products ==
> >> The contributors and community cooperation brings the project from a
> >> small concept into a real APM system. So far, many companies, e.g.
> >> Huawei DevCloud, dangdang.com, tydic, jd.com, have their own
> >> independency contribute team for Skywalking. So this is not risk of any
> >> signs of orphaned or abandoned code.
> >>
> >> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> >> The founder of the project, Sheng Wu, is an open source lover. He has
> >> contributed for these open source projects: OpenTracing-Specification,
> >> OpenTracing-Java, Motan, Hprose, OpenTracing specification-zh,
> >> apache/incubator-rocketmq.
> >>
> >> Hongtao Gao, our committer team member, is the major maintainer of
> >> sharding-jdbc https://github.com/shardingjdbc/sharding-jdbc and
> >> elastic-job https://github.com/elasticjob/elastic-job since 2014.
> >>
> >> The project are following these two experienced open source people's
> >> guidance. And glad to learn from the Apache Way.
> >>
> >> == Homogenous Developers ==
> >> The confirmed contributors list:
> >>
> https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/Organization/blob/master/README.md#contributors
> .
> >> As mentioned above in the Community section.
> >>
> >> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> >> First of all, most members of the PMC and Committer Team, are paid by
> >> their employers (Huawei, Tydic, dangdang.com and OneAPM) to contribute
> >> to this project. But we have to say, many of them have more than one
> >> employer in the past 3 years contribution, but the contributions are
> >> never stopped. We don't just depend on salaried contributors only.
> >> Skywalking itself and the distributed tracing field are very attractive
> >> and important for every company the contributors work in, and they have
> >> no reason to stop them. Contributions and new committers are expected.
> >>
> >> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> >> HBase was used as a backend before being rewritten, and that ZooKeeper,
> >> httpcomponents, log4j and junit are used. Also we are considering all
> >> java projects, especially big data technology, e.g. Hadoop, Hbase,
> >> Cassandra.
> >>
> >> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> >> The ASF has a strong brand, and that brand is in itself attractive.
> >> Skywalking will benefit from world wide collaboration and use cases. The
> >> Apache brand will be duly respected and honored in regards to  marketing
> >> and publicity. Further more, with the help of Incubator PMC, we will
> >> make every effort to follow the rules and policies of the ASF.
> >>
> >> == Documentation ==
> >>  * https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/skywalking/tree/master/docs
> >>  * https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/skywalking/wiki
> >>
> >> == Initial Source ==
> >> The project consists of two distinct codebases: the server and the UI.
> >> These have existed as separate git repositories.
> >>  * https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/skywalking
> >>  * https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/skywalking-ui
> >>
> >> == Source and Intellectual Property Submission Plan ==
> >> The project is under Apache Licensed 2.0 already. As soon as Skywalking
> >> is approved to join Apache, we can transfer of source code to the Apache
> >> Foundation. There is no legal issue.
> >> All source artifacts (code and documentation) will be assigned copyright
> >> to the ASF. Currently all artifacts are copyright to 'OpenSkywalking
> >> Organization', so effort in this process pertains mostly to obtaining
> >> the individual and corporation contributor agreements (ICLAs and CCLAs)
> >> from all committers and PMC.
> >>
> >> == External Dependencies ==
> >>  * Byte-buddy (Apache 2.0)
> >>  * gRPC (Apache 2.0)
> >>  * netty (Apache 2.0)
> >>  * guava (Apache 2.0)
> >>  * elasticsearch (Apache 2.0)
> >>  * H2 Driver (MPL 2.0 or EPL 1.0)
> >>  * Zookeeper Client (Apache 2.0)
> >>  * disruptor (Apache 2.0)
> >>  * junit (MPL)
> >>  * mockito (MIT)
> >>  * powermock (Apache 2.0)
> >>  * Spring (Apache 2.0)
> >>  * gson  (Apache 2.0)
> >>  * httpcomponents (Apache 2.0)
> >>  * log4j  (Apache 2.0)
> >>  * vis (Apache 2.0)
> >>  * webjars-boostrap  (Apache 2.0)
> >>  * animate.css (MIT)
> >>  * jquery (js.foundation)
> >>  * jquery-ui (js.foundation)
> >>  * jsView (MIT)
> >>  * metisMenu (MIT)
> >>  * d3 (BSD-3)
> >>  * echarts (BSD-3)
> >>  * DataTables (MIT)
> >>  * requirejs (MIT)
> >>  * vue (MIT)
> >>
> >> = Required Resources =
> >> == Mailing Lists ==
> >>  * private@skywalking.incubator.apache.org (moderated subscriptions)
> >>  * commits@skywalking.incubator.apache.org
> >>  * dev@skywalking.incubator.apache.org
> >>  * user@skywalking.incubator.apache.org
> >>
> >> == Git Repositories ==
> >>  * https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator-skywalking.git
> >>  * https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator-skywalking-ui.git
> >>
> >> == Issue Tracking ==
> >> GitHub Issues or JIRA Project Skywalking.
> >> To be discussed further, there's a desire to continue to use GitHub
> >> issues and it's now visible that other projects are using this.
> >>
> >> == Initial Incubator PMC ==
> >>  * 吴晟, Sheng Wu  @wu-sheng
> >>  * 彭勇升, Yongsheng Peng  @peng-yongsheng
> >>  * 张鑫, Xin Zhang  @ascrutae
> >>
> >> == Initial Committer ==
> >>  * 吴晟, Sheng Wu  @wu-sheng
> >>  * 彭勇升, Yongsheng Peng  @peng-yongsheng
> >>  * 张鑫, Xin Zhang  @ascrutae
> >>  * 高洪涛, Hongtao Gao  @hanahmily
> >>  * 柏杨, Yang Bai  @bai-yang
> >>  * 王凯, Kai Wang  @oracle219
> >>  * 李运涛, Yuntao Li  @lytscu
> >>  * 汪盛, Sheng Wang  @titsquid
> >>  * 司冬雪, Dongxue Si  @IluckySi
> >>  * 张科伟, Kewei Zhang  @zhangkewei
> >>
> >> = Champion =
> >>  * Michael Semb Wever, mck@apache.org
> >>
> >> Voted for skywalking Incubator champion.
> >> https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/Organization/issues/12
> >>
> >> = Mentors =
> >>  * Michael Semb Wever, mck@apache.org
> >>  * Luke Han, lukehan@apache.org
> >>  * Willem Ning Jiang, ningjiang@apache.org
> >>
> >> Skywalking received a lot helps from Michael Semb Wever about this
> >> proposal and Apache way. Set face-to-face meeting with three Apache
> >> members: Luke Han, Nicolas Hedhman, Willem Ning Jiang. They helps us a
> >> lot.
> >>
> >> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> >> We are requesting the Incubator to sponsor this project.
> >>
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