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From "John D. Ament" <johndam...@apache.org>
Subject Re: ASF hosted binaries collecting user data without an explicit opt-in
Date Tue, 06 Jun 2017 03:25:17 GMT
While these are all great discussion points, I don't believe they're
relevant to incubator only and probably should have remained on the
legal-discuss list.  Ignite graduated ~2 years ago.  The incubator probably
doesn't have an opinion about this, but it's good to know that the policy
may change (and I do personally have an opinion on said types of software).

John

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 11:16 PM Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org>
wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 8:02 PM, Julian Hyde <jhyde@apache.org> wrote:
> > Thanks for the explanation, Roman. I had no idea that policies for
> hosted binaries
> > were stricter than for source code (other than the obvious effect on
> licensing when you bundle in dependencies).
>
> Btw, this one is serious enough that I'd like us to update our release
> policy based on the
> learnings here.
>
> So far it seems that there's an agreement on that having this type of
> capability...
>    1 ... in the source code disabled by default -- totally OK
>    2 ... in the source code enabled by default -- questionable, but OK
>    3 ... in the binary hosted by ASF disabled by default -- OK
>    4 ... in the binary hosted by ASF enabled by default -- NOT OK
>
> #4 can get nuanced if we want to invest in ASF managed infrastructure that
> is
> responsible for update tracking and user data collection. With my ASF hat
> on,
> I'd say that INFRA should probably stay away from user data
> collection/retention.
>
> That still leaves a possibility of a a ping/pong API that only
> consumes a name of ASF
> project and its version and returns a JSON object of some kind as per
> PMC choice.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
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