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From James Bognar <>
Subject Re: Incubator Governance Change
Date Mon, 24 Apr 2017 13:32:57 GMT
My plan for PPMC votes is to simply send out "friendly reminder" emails
every 24 hours after the vote deadline has passed.

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Shane Curcuru <>

> Pat Ferrel wrote on 4/22/17 11:46 AM:
> > Probably the wrong place for this but…
> >
> > What do people think about a governance change for approving releases
> > through the IPMC to wit:
> >
> > A week of no vote activity over the release proposal of a podling
> > should be considered a passing vote. In other words the IPMC is to
> > become a vetoing group.
> No, because as noted in this thread the board and Legal Affairs
> Committee already have a policy for Apache software releases:
> This is the spot where all the little legal bits of having a corporation
> intersects with the Incubator's ability to mentor new podlings in how to
> effectively run projects in the Apache Way.  However that legal policy
> in particular is not going to change IMO.
> Personally, I support any proposals that help ensure podling mentors are
> more actively engaged, and can better serve as the formal IPMC votes for
> podling releases.  Great to see some serious discussion about that in
> this thread and the upcoming IPMC chair election.  The incubator has
> been getting better organized as a whole over the past few years, and
> keeps improving, which is great to see.
> > I propose this for 2 reasons: 1) lack of votes or attention from the
> > IPMC seems all too prevalent and puts an undo drag on the energy and
> > velocity of community involvement. 2) the release has already been
> > voted on and checked by at least 3 PMC members of the podling (which
> > has ASF mentors in most all cases) so a veto role by the IPMC seems
> > to have minimum danger to the ASF system of checks and balances.>
> Yes, but the whole point of Incubation is that a podling is not yet a
> project.  Only Apache PMCs have the authority to make a release, thus
> only IPMC votes count.  On one hand this must feel incredibly annoying.
> On the other hand, it is the #1 reason we have the ASF as a corporation
> - to prevent the individual release manager from potentially getting
> sued *personally* for problems with the release.
> The fact that we have these documented policies, and that the board and
> IPMC enforces them means that legally, releases are acts of the
> Foundation.  Thus if anyone ever were to sue, they'd sue the Foundation
> (which has insurance and legal counsel) and not individual committers.
> --
> - Shane, IPMC Member
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James Bognar

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