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From Casey Stella <ceste...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Metron podling Graduation
Date Mon, 27 Mar 2017 17:48:33 GMT
Thanks Dave;  I think that we all appreciate the concerns around insulating
the project from a single sponsor.   The fact that we do take the ASF
processes seriously is one of the things that makes the community
comforted, I think.  I appreciate the diligence in ensuring that we have
our ducks in a row from that perspective.

Best,

Casey

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Thank you for the answers.
>
> I am all for graduation if Metron.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 27, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Casey Stella <cestella@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > To clarify, we have 24 PPMC members, of which 12 are
> Hortonworks-affiliated
> > and 12 are not. We have 6 additional committers who are not PPMC members.
> > Some of them are affiliated and some of them are not. For the purpose of
> > this, we only captured the affiliations of the PPMC members.
> >
> > I did some quick analysis of the git log and found the following:
> >
> > % Commits by Hortonworkers: 79%
> >
> > % Contributors affiliated to Hortonworks: 42%
> >
> > In associating affiliation, I am being as generous as possible and
> > including people who I know to work at Hortonworks who may or may not be
> in
> > the engineering organization.  I know that some of these people are
> > contributing to Metron in their spare time as independent open source
> > contributions.
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Casey
> >
> >> On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Mar 24, 2017, at 9:03 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:52 PM P. Taylor Goetz <ptgoetz@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> To be honest, I don't know, but I don't see it as a problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> I will admit upfront that I am a Hortonworks employee, so there is
> >>>> potential for bias. But I always try to wear the right hat, even when
> my
> >>>> position may not please my employer.
> >>>>
> >>>> As a mentor (to this and other podlings), I try to instill that ethic
> >>>> during incubation and thereafter.
> >>>>
> >>>> In the Metron community I see some that share that ethic. They
> selected
> >> a
> >>>> PMC Chair that gets it and I trust will serve the project well in that
> >> role.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, the project is Hortonworks-heavy. But I think they are doing
> things
> >>>> right in terms of the Apache Way. I also intend to participate in the
> >> PMC
> >>>> to help ensure it remains that way.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Agreed - from what I have seen, Hortonworks as a company understands
> the
> >>> Apache Way and is able to ensure that it is held in open source
> projects.
> >>> I see no concerns with Metron graduating.
> >>
> >> Sure, but the question is not about whether or not HortonWorks
> understands
> >> the Apache Way. It is what happens to Metron if HortonWorks is no longer
> >> interested in the project?
> >>
> >> Given the experience with OpenOffice I think we need to always ask this.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -Taylor
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Mar 24, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is a list of 24 of which 12 are Hortonworks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can we assume that the other 12 of which 6 are PPMC are unaffiliated?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What percentage of the commits are coming from Hortonworks affiliated
> >>>> contributors?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Dave
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mar 23, 2017, at 8:39 PM, Casey Stella <cestella@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Of course, very fair question.  Also, yes, the we have 36 committers
> >> as
> >>>> all
> >>>>>> PPMC members are committers.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The affiliations are as follows:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hortonworks:
> >>>>>> * Sheetal Dolas (sheetal_dolas)
> >>>>>> * Larry McCay (lmccay)
> >>>>>> * P. Taylor Goetz (ptgoetz)
> >>>>>> * Ryan Merriman (rmerriman)
> >>>>>> * James Sirota (jsirota)
> >>>>>> * Casey Stella (cstella)
> >>>>>> * David Lyle (lyle)
> >>>>>> * Nick Allen (nickallen)
> >>>>>> * George Vetticaden (gvetticaden)
> >>>>>> * Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli (vinodkv)
> >>>>>> * Kiran Komaravolu (kirankom)
> >>>>>> * Michael Perez (mperez)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cisco:
> >>>>>> * Debo Dutta (ddutta)
> >>>>>> * Discovery Gerdes (discovery)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rackspace:
> >>>>>> * Oskar Zabik (smogg)
> >>>>>> * Andrew Hartnett (dev_warlord)
> >>>>>> * Paul Kehrer (reaperhulk)
> >>>>>> * Sean Schulte (sirsean)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> B23:
> >>>>>> * Mark Bittmann (mbittmann)
> >>>>>> * Dave Hirko (dbhirko)
> >>>>>> * Brad Kolarov (bjkolly)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mantech:
> >>>>>> * Charles Porter (cporter)
> >>>>>> * Ray Urciuoli (rurcioli)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Fogbeam Labs:
> >>>>>> * Phillip Rhodes (prhodes)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 9:34 PM, P. Taylor Goetz <
> ptgoetz@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2017, at 7:38 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org
> >
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 3:10 PM P. Taylor Goetz
<
> ptgoetz@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> As a mentor, I fully support Metron's graduation.
The community
> has
> >>>>>>> come a
> >>>>>>>>> long way, learned to make solid releases, build
a sustainable
> >>>> community,
> >>>>>>>>> and follow the Apache Way.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> One minor nit: The paddling status page is missing
a few Apache
> >> IDs,
> >>>>>>> but I
> >>>>>>>>> see them in the resolution, so it's an easy fix.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Paddlings are always out of sync :-P
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> One other nit - I'm not sure why you only have 6 committers.
 I
> >> think
> >>>> you
> >>>>>>>> mean 30 committers (all PMC members are committers).
 Can you
> >> provide
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>> associations of PMC members and employers?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Metron PPMC,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Can you respond? I feel this is a valid question.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -Taylor
> >>>>>>>
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