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From Guillaume Laforge <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Drop incubating requirement of Maven artifacts
Date Fri, 06 Jan 2017 15:39:37 GMT

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Wade Chandler <>

> On Jan 2, 2017 7:53 PM, "Pierre Smits" <> wrote:
> +1 Drop the -incubator/-incubating expectation of maven projects
> It is not the code that is incubating.
> Whether a project of the ASF has a status (podling, tlp, attic, etc.) is
> irrelevant for the code. The code is donated/owned by the ASF, and tasks to
> ensure that the code released is in conformance of the standards of the ASF
> is delegated to the project. In the case of podlings, that responsibility
> is delegated to the IPMC.
> That a new project is going through the incubation phase is to ensure that
> the community works in accordance with the principles and regulations of
> the ASF (community over code, and such), and that the code is reworked to
> something that can be released as code of the ASF.
> For some open source is like a red flag. An addition like 'incubating'
> could be regarded as worse. Is that what the ASF wants? This kind of
> addition doesn't instil trust. It may influence potential adopters to stay
> away of the code until the project has successfully gone through
> incubation, It may influence potential contributors to not contribute until
> graduation.
> I agree with the sentiment expressed here. Projects which already have a
> long history coming to ASF have valid releases, and the word "incubating"
> has important meaning to policy and the ASF for Podlings, but for produced
> artifacts it is about like 0.x releases. One shouldn't have to understand
> ASF policy beyond the license to feel comfortable using ASF wares IMO, but
> just an opinion.
> Thanks
> Wade

Guillaume Laforge
Apache Groovy committer & PMC Vice-President
Developer Advocate @ Google Cloud Platform

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