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From Jitendra Pandey <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Ratis for Apache Incubator (Was: Concur for Apache Incubator)
Date Thu, 15 Dec 2016 18:33:55 GMT
I am proposing to rename Concur to Ratis (Latin for Raft).
If this name is acceptable, I will start a voting thread.

Thanks everyone!

On 11/30/16, 11:01 AM, "Chris Nauroth" <> wrote:

>Responding to a few points in the thread:
>> Jitendra, So considering how strong of a community this is already and
>> success of recent TLP direct projects, what goals do you have for
>> incubation?  And why incubation over straight to TLP?
>As hinted by a few others, I would like to see the project's time in the
>Incubator focus on establishing a repeatable release process (always
>the first few times for a podling), providing sufficient documentation for
>usage and contributor onboarding, and establishing community interaction
>the mailing lists.  From my knowledge of straight-to-TLP projects, I
>believe those spun out of "refactoring" pieces of well-established
>into new TLPs, so the spin-offs to some degree were able to inherit these
>pieces from being previously hosted in the larger project.  In this case,
>prefer incubation, because Concur is not a spin-off and therefore still
>needs to establish these pieces for itself.
>> I think it sounds like an interesting proposal but wonders which
>> consumers (and potential developers) it is targeting - I wonder about
>> the strong link to Hortonworks and Hadoop -- is Concur relying on
>> Hadoop, Hadoop might use Concur, or can Concur be used with many
>> things, including Hadoop?
>Our goal is to provide a stand-alone library providing a RAFT
>implementation.  Although Apache Hadoop ecosystem projects are mentioned
>one of the primary targeted use cases, we do not intend to constrain it to
>usage only within the Hadoop ecosystem or tightly couple it to any
>particular vendor's distribution of the Hadoop ecosystem.  I could imagine
>it being viable for usage within pieces of Hadoop or in a proprietary
>distributed system that I work on at my day job.
>It is true that the Concur codebase currently has a Maven dependency on
>Hadoop.  This was largely a matter of coding convenience to pick up
>utilities for configuration management and networking.  For those
>knowledgeable of Hadoop, I have listed all "org.apache.hadoop" imports
>below.  You'll see that this is not tightly coupled to deep pieces of
>YARN, etc., but instead more like helpful utilities.  Whether or not the
>Hadoop dependency is desirable long-term toward the goal of "stand-alone
>library" is a question worthy of consideration for the Concur community,
>though I see that as a technical decision point for the community, not a
>factor for consideration of whether to accept the incubation proposal.
>Chris Nauroth
>On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Jitendra Pandey
>> Thanks for the feedback.
>> How does Ratis (Latin for raft) sound for the name? A quick search in
>> google doesn¹t show it is used. If this is acceptable, I will update the
>> proposal.
>> We are working on documentation for the user api's as well as the
>> We didn¹t consider TLP as the project is very new. We will focus on a
>> release cadence and community diversity to qualify for TLP.
>> Thanks
>> jitendra
>> On 11/23/16, 6:19 AM, "Stian Soiland-Reyes" <> wrote:
>> >On 23 November 2016 at 11:40, Roman Shaposhnik <>
>> >wrote:
>> >> FIWI: these were my thoughts exactly. In fact, for a second there I
>> >>thought
>> >> that SAP was donating Concur codebase.
>> >> In the spirit of bikeshedding I propose Apache Thor (or Heyerdahl)
>> >> you know: raft ;-)
>> >
>> >As Norwegian I should not really disagree on that name -- but Thor is
>> >already the name of lots of things, including at least two EU projecst
>> > (Open Research interoperability)
>> > (Oceanography!)
>> >
>> >
>> >Apache Heyerdahl..?
>> >
>> > says:
>> >> There are 410 [Norwegians] with Heyerdahl as their surname
>> >
>> >(>200 meaning it is not a protected surname in .no :)
>> >
>> >And 111 businesses - just in Norway - several doing IT stuff:
>> >
>> &orgform=0&fylk
>> >e=0&kommune=0
>> >
>> >
>> >But we can discuss the proposal even if it has to change its name -
>> >that's OK to sort in the very beginning (but is very preferably
>> >community-wise to agree before actually moving to the Incubator).
>> >
>> >
>> >I think it sounds like an interesting proposal but wonders which
>> >consumers (and potential developers) it is targeting - I wonder about
>> >the strong link to Hortonworks and Hadoop -- is Concur relying on
>> >Hadoop, Hadoop might use Concur, or can Concur be used with many
>> >things, including Hadoop?
>> >
>> >
>> >I see is already using
>> >org.apache.raft (and before org.apache.hadoop.raft) as a package name
>> >- I find this approach for proposals a bit concerning trademark-wise;
>> >but then I didn't look closely if this started as a fork/pull request
>> >for Hadoop or similar?
>> >
>> >--
>> >Stian Soiland-Reyes
>> >
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