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From Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: board comments on incubator
Date Thu, 22 Dec 2016 08:35:03 GMT
Within each of the podlings there is one question that should be raised
regularly (annually, quarterly, monthly, whatever): 'are we mature enough
to graduate?'. And this question can be raised by anyone participating
(Mentors, PPMC Members, non-privileged contributors).

But, even if that occurs regularly, there are outside forces at play as
well..... While there is a general consensus within the podling, these
outside forces express viewpoints that lead to Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.
This often has more to do with the independence (diversity) of the project
than the skills to create releases in an orderly fashion. I have seen it
happen.

And yes, these forces are part of the IPMC.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

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On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 1:21 AM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
wrote:

> +1 to your comments Tim.
>
> I'll point out - the statement Ted's made isn't exactly what the board has
> said.
>
> When I look at the older podlings out there: Wave, ODF, Blur, Streams (as
> the short list), none of them seem to me like they shouldn't graduate.  I
> almost feel like there's a fear of graduation.  It may be we need to
> encourage them to plan to graduate.  You'll also notice in a recent podling
> report I pointed to a list of podlings who seem to have their acts together
> well enough to graduate.  The IPMC can't force a podling to move along,
> they have to take the next steps themselves.
>
> For the record, if anyone's interested in the whimsy link:
> https://whimsy.apache.org/incubator/podlings/by-age
>
> John
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 7:07 PM Tim Williams <williamstw@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > The board is concerned that we have incubating projects that have been
> > > around for many years.
> > >
> > > What is the sense of the incubator about this issue.
> >
> > Maybe just tell the board to put away the scalpel?  It's not an
> > instrument that suits them well...  if there are un-mentored podlings
> > doing "bad things" - regardless of tenure - then that would be of
> > concern to us I reckon...  but there isn't evidence of that?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --tim
> >
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