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From Martijn Dashorst <>
Subject Re: Omitting "-incubating" suffix in Maven artifact version attribute for FreeMarker
Date Thu, 29 Dec 2016 19:44:09 GMT
You are trying to fix the wrong thing. The whole idea of the
-incubating moniker is to communicate to end users that the project is
inside the incubator, and can fail incubation. The only and best way
to get rid of the -incubating scheme is to *graduate*.

Don't remain in the incubator hiding in your community, but fix those
licensing issues, grow your community, reach out to the wider
incubator community outside your 3 monthly report and hook up with
other Apache projects for collaboration.

Freemarker has been in incubation for 17 months. What do you need to
learn and do before you will start your graduation vote?


On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 2:18 AM, Daniel Dekany <> wrote:
> Hello,
> The last release of Apache FreeMarker (incubating) has these Maven
> coordinates:
>     <groupId>org.freemarker</groupId>
>     <artifactId>freemarker</artifactId>
>     <version>2.3.25-incubating</version>
> The "-incubating" in the Maven version is confusing for the users, as
> it looks as the version number of an unstable release, and it seems
> that this causes many to stick to the last non-Apache release from 1.5
> years ago. (See the "*" footnote if you want some more details.)
> As far as I know there's no explicit requirement for having
> "incubating" in the Maven artifact version number. So, I wonder, can
> we just omit "-incubating" from the Maven artifact versions from now
> on? In FreeMarker's case the Maven groupId doesn't contain org.apache
> (I know, it should, but that's a different topic), so I guess there's
> less danger of branding confusion here. Of course, the version number
> would remain x.x.x-incubating in the file names of the releases
> downloadable from and so on. Also, in case it bothers
> anyone, the "name" element in the Maven POM could be changed from
> "Apache FreeMarker" to "Apache FreeMarker (incubating)" (or just to
> "FreeMarker").
> *: For those not working in the Java ecosystem, know that many users
>    will not go to the project home page nowadays to find the latest
>    version, just look at the versions at the Maven Central. Without
>    any place for explanation, "2.3.25-incubating" and such are often
>    believed to be development versions. (I have seen a few user
>    queries that indicated that too.) It certainly doesn't help either
>    that automatically marks these incubating
>    versions with red (~ alpha). Also, on the same place the last
>    non-Apache release has almost 5x more usages than the last two
>    "-incubating" releases together, which is suspicious. Spring has
>    also stuck at that version for some reason.
> --
> Thanks,
>  Daniel Dekany
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