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From Daniel Dekany <ddek...@freemail.hu>
Subject Re: Omitting "-incubating" suffix in Maven artifact version attribute for FreeMarker
Date Sat, 31 Dec 2016 18:06:41 GMT
Saturday, December 31, 2016, 5:33:19 PM, John D. Ament wrote:

> Just to level set.  I don't think its fair to expect a special policy for a
> single podling.

To be clear, I'm just asking a question, since there's no written
policy regarding the Maven version number as far as I know. So I
suppose the Incubator PMC is free to decide this for the individual
release. Of course, I prefer to find out the feelings earlier than the
release voting.

Anyway, if there will be a written policy, then note that the
situation is the same for any (Java-library-) poddling that was a
widely used project before trying to join Apache.


> On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 9:40 AM Daniel Dekany <ddekany@freemail.hu> wrote:
>
>> The original question in this thread is much less generic than in the
>> linked one though, so it's certainly easier to answer. Just as a
>> reminder, the specialities are these:
>>
>> - This project already have suffixless releases from before
>>   incubation, which are widely used. If the incubation fails, those
>>   versions won't be any better that the incubating ones. After all, ASF
>>   won't go around and delete those releases from the Maven Central,
>>   from SF.net, etc.
>>
>> - The project doesn't have an org.apache.* Maven groupId, nor a such
>>   Java package (in 2.x.x, because of backward compatibility, and we
>>   are talking about 2.x.x only here). So as far as I see it's quite
>>   unlikely that the user will see "Apache" without "incubating"
>>   because we have removed it from the *Maven* version number, at least
>>   if we change <name>Apache FreeMarker</name> in the POM to
>>   <name>Apache FreeMarker (incubating)</name>.
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>>  Daniel Dekany
>>
>>
>> Saturday, December 31, 2016, 1:50:02 PM, Martijn Dashorst wrote:
>>
>> > For reference, please read this thread from 2008:
>> >
>> >
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/0b6c065a908c5f9ec39fa78c31b39c83a6fea29eb34fada0ee070413@1222432864@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
>> >
>> > It has all the arguments for and against the -incubating versioning
>> > label, and why the disclaimer exists. Warning: it is long (I haven't
>> > even reached the conclusion after about an hour of reading).
>> >
>> > It goes of a bit about releasing through Maven, and some quibles with
>> > central repository management and releases and other politics, but it
>> > should be enlightening to see all positions. Read it with an open mind
>> > and don't look only for the bits that support your position, but try
>> > to understand the other side as well.
>> >
>> > Martijn
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Jacopo Cappellato
>> > <jacopo.cappellato@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Martijn Dashorst <
>> >> martijn.dashorst@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> [...]
>> >>> Freemarker has been in incubation for 17 months. What do you need to
>> >>> learn and do before you will start your graduation vote?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> In my opinion the Freemarker project would be ready to successfully
>> pass a
>> >> graduation vote and a discussion thread is going on in the project's
>> >> mailing list; based on how the conversation is going the community may
>> >> decide to wait a few more weeks in order to try to attract some
>> committers.
>> >> However I think that the topic discussed in this thread (about the
>> concern
>> >> that the "-incubating" suffix may mislead the consumers about the
>> stability
>> >> of a software product) is a valid one; even if its output will not
>> probably
>> >> affect Freemarker (that could be a TLP by then).
>> >>
>> >> Jacopo
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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-- 
Thanks,
 Daniel Dekany


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