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From Tsz Sze <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Ratis for Apache Incubator (Was: Concur for Apache Incubator)
Date Fri, 23 Dec 2016 02:49:25 GMT
FYI, Jing Zhao and I just have finished removing hadoop dependency from the non-hadoop modules.
 We will continue working on the documentations.


On 12/16/16, 4:27 PM, "Tsz Sze" <> wrote:

    +1 Ratis sounds great!
    BTW, I am working on removing Apache Hadoop dependency (except for the raft-hadoop module)
and more documentations.
    Thanks all for the feedbacks!
    On 12/16/16, 2:33 AM, "Jitendra Pandey" <> wrote:
        I am proposing to rename Concur to Ratis (Latin for Raft).
        If this name is acceptable, I will start a voting thread.
        Thanks everyone!
        On 11/30/16, 11:01 AM, "Chris Nauroth" <> wrote:
        >Responding to a few points in the thread:
        >> Jitendra, So considering how strong of a community this is already and
        >> success of recent TLP direct projects, what goals do you have for
        >> incubation?  And why incubation over straight to TLP?
        >As hinted by a few others, I would like to see the project's time in the
        >Incubator focus on establishing a repeatable release process (always
        >the first few times for a podling), providing sufficient documentation for
        >usage and contributor onboarding, and establishing community interaction
        >the mailing lists.  From my knowledge of straight-to-TLP projects, I
        >believe those spun out of "refactoring" pieces of well-established
        >into new TLPs, so the spin-offs to some degree were able to inherit these
        >pieces from being previously hosted in the larger project.  In this case,
        >prefer incubation, because Concur is not a spin-off and therefore still
        >needs to establish these pieces for itself.
        >> I think it sounds like an interesting proposal but wonders which
        >> consumers (and potential developers) it is targeting - I wonder about
        >> the strong link to Hortonworks and Hadoop -- is Concur relying on
        >> Hadoop, Hadoop might use Concur, or can Concur be used with many
        >> things, including Hadoop?
        >Our goal is to provide a stand-alone library providing a RAFT
        >implementation.  Although Apache Hadoop ecosystem projects are mentioned
        >one of the primary targeted use cases, we do not intend to constrain it to
        >usage only within the Hadoop ecosystem or tightly couple it to any
        >particular vendor's distribution of the Hadoop ecosystem.  I could imagine
        >it being viable for usage within pieces of Hadoop or in a proprietary
        >distributed system that I work on at my day job.
        >It is true that the Concur codebase currently has a Maven dependency on
        >Hadoop.  This was largely a matter of coding convenience to pick up
        >utilities for configuration management and networking.  For those
        >knowledgeable of Hadoop, I have listed all "org.apache.hadoop" imports
        >below.  You'll see that this is not tightly coupled to deep pieces of
        >YARN, etc., but instead more like helpful utilities.  Whether or not the
        >Hadoop dependency is desirable long-term toward the goal of "stand-alone
        >library" is a question worthy of consideration for the Concur community,
        >though I see that as a technical decision point for the community, not a
        >factor for consideration of whether to accept the incubation proposal.
        >Chris Nauroth
        >On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Jitendra Pandey
        >> Thanks for the feedback.
        >> How does Ratis (Latin for raft) sound for the name? A quick search in
        >> google doesn¹t show it is used. If this is acceptable, I will update the
        >> proposal.
        >> We are working on documentation for the user api's as well as the
        >> We didn¹t consider TLP as the project is very new. We will focus on a
        >> release cadence and community diversity to qualify for TLP.
        >> Thanks
        >> jitendra
        >> On 11/23/16, 6:19 AM, "Stian Soiland-Reyes" <> wrote:
        >> >On 23 November 2016 at 11:40, Roman Shaposhnik <>
        >> >wrote:
        >> >> FIWI: these were my thoughts exactly. In fact, for a second there
        >> >>thought
        >> >> that SAP was donating Concur codebase.
        >> >> In the spirit of bikeshedding I propose Apache Thor (or Heyerdahl)
        >> >> you know: raft ;-)
        >> >
        >> >As Norwegian I should not really disagree on that name -- but Thor is
        >> >already the name of lots of things, including at least two EU projecst
        >> > (Open Research interoperability)
        >> > (Oceanography!)
        >> >
        >> >
        >> >Apache Heyerdahl..?
        >> >
        >> > says:
        >> >> There are 410 [Norwegians] with Heyerdahl as their surname
        >> >
        >> >(>200 meaning it is not a protected surname in .no :)
        >> >
        >> >And 111 businesses - just in Norway - several doing IT stuff:
        >> >
        >> &orgform=0&fylk
        >> >e=0&kommune=0
        >> >
        >> >
        >> >But we can discuss the proposal even if it has to change its name -
        >> >that's OK to sort in the very beginning (but is very preferably
        >> >community-wise to agree before actually moving to the Incubator).
        >> >
        >> >
        >> >I think it sounds like an interesting proposal but wonders which
        >> >consumers (and potential developers) it is targeting - I wonder about
        >> >the strong link to Hortonworks and Hadoop -- is Concur relying on
        >> >Hadoop, Hadoop might use Concur, or can Concur be used with many
        >> >things, including Hadoop?
        >> >
        >> >
        >> >I see is already using
        >> >org.apache.raft (and before org.apache.hadoop.raft) as a package name
        >> >- I find this approach for proposals a bit concerning trademark-wise;
        >> >but then I didn't look closely if this started as a fork/pull request
        >> >for Hadoop or similar?
        >> >
        >> >--
        >> >Stian Soiland-Reyes
        >> >
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