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From Craig Russell <craig.russ...@oracle.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Apache Beam release 0.3.0-incubating
Date Sun, 30 Oct 2016 19:58:59 GMT

> On Oct 30, 2016, at 8:04 AM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> Craig,
> 
> Your definition matches my definition from 3 years ago, which I had used
> for a long while until someone told me I'm wrong.  Are you on legal
> discuss?  Let's move this over there.

Even better, there is already a JIRA for what appears to be relevant to this issue:

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-198#

Folks on legal-discuss can tune into that discussion, and may not be looking at the Beam vote
thread.

Craig
> 
> On Oct 30, 2016 10:50, "Craig Russell" <craig.russell@oracle.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Oct 30, 2016, at 6:03 AM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org> wrote:
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 10:53 PM Craig Russell <craig.russell@oracle.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 29, 2016, at 1:54 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 4:51 PM Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>>> -1 due to the kinesis library issue.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can you provide a bit more detail on what the objection is with the
>>>>> kinesis library? Given it's optional and not being distributed I
> thought
>>>>> this would cover it? [1]
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I obviously have a different take than you.  I'm more worried about the
>>>> derived works aspect of the license as it stands.
>>> 
>>> What part of the release is a “derived work”?
>>> 
>> 
>> I consider the library to be the derived work (I know on the JIRA there's
>> some discussion over that).
>> 
>> I'm still a bit lost on how Cat X licenses can be included as
> dependencies,
>> seems to go against https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved#category-x
>> 
> Here’s my take:
> 
> I believe the relevant part of legal are
> https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved#prohibited
> and https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved#optional
> 
> Just to be clear on terminology in this use case: The kinesis library is
> category-x and cannot be distributed by an Apache project under any
> circumstances. And cannot be put into source control.
> 
> The spark-kinesis module that was written by the project and does not
> contain any library code is optional and depends on the library. Building
> the module dynamically links to the library using the build tools. The
> module can be distributed in source and convenience binary forms.
> 
> There are no derived works regarding the library and module.
> 
> Craig
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Craig
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Justin
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#optional
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>>> 
>>> Craig L Russell
>>> clr@apache.org
>>> 
>>> 
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> 
> Craig L Russell
> clr@apache.org
> 
> 
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