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[166.172.62.244]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m13sm9508903qkm.11.2016.09.25.10.46.54 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal References: <1423019168.2058021.1474443275667@mail.yahoo.com> <20661993-84f9-7ba9-2419-1d1087444767@gmail.com> <0d9c4455-2b82-2795-729f-919b9072e401@shanecurcuru.org> From: Ted Dunning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11D201) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <25F166E5-E34F-454C-ABD9-AE8A5AF41E14@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 13:46:50 -0400 To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Geertjan, That sounds like a very nice and workable plan.=20 Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 24, 2016, at 23:22, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: >=20 > It really is impossible for us to follow all the (in many cases > contradictory) advice we have been given re the initial contributors list.= >=20 > Here's what I propose: >=20 > 1. We make the initial contributors list as detailed as we can, i.e., I > have already started doing this, grouping individual contributors in > specific categories and also indicating which ones have contributed in the= > past, in most cases the recent past, i.e., these are the ones with most > direct skills who are likely to begin contributing as soon as possible. > Yes, most of these are from Oracle, which makes sense since we're moving t= o > Apache precisely in order to open up the governance model so that more can= > participate. > 2. When in doubt, we will follow the advice of our mentors over the advice= > of those who are not our mentors. > 3. We will show in the initial contributors list what each of the initial > contributors is planning to contribute, as concretely as possible, to show= > that we have a list of contributors who really want to and are planning to= > contribute as soon as they're able to do so. > 4. I don't believe anyone will fork NetBeans for not being on the initial > contributors list nor do I believe that anyone will want to be on the > initial contributors list as some kind of desire for status -- everyone on= > the list is known in one way or another in the community or has worked on > NetBeans for years from within Oracle. These are all people who are > committed to NetBeans and to its future in Apache. > 5. At the end of incubation, we will go through the list very thoroughly. > Anyone who has not contributed will be contacted to confirm that they'd > like to be removed from the list before we become a TPL. I see no problems= > in that regard, I'm sure people who don't end up committing will have no > problem being removed from the list at that stage and being voted in again= > if/when they change their mind later. >=20 > Hope the above works for everyone and thanks everyone for all the energy > everyone is putting into this process. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Geertjan >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 3:47 AM, Shane Curcuru > wrote: >=20 >> toki wrote on 9/24/16 8:04 PM: >>>> On 22/09/2016 05:18, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: >>>> had a non-trivial amount of commits to then Sun NetBeans between >> 2002-2008. He then drifted away from the >>>> project but would be interested, potentially, re-engaging. >>>=20 >>> Is it possible to create a "master list' of everybody who has >>> contributed, when they contributed, and roughly how much they >> contributed? >>>=20 >>> If so, then: >>> * send everybody on that list an ICLA to fill out and return; >>> * Include that list as an appendix to the Incubation Paperwork. Call it >>> _Individuals who, on request will be considered to be part of the >>> Initial Committer List_, once the appropriate paperwork has been signed >>> and submitted; >>> * The _Initial Committer List_ consists of people who have signed and >>> submitted the appropriate paperwork, and requested to be on the list; >>=20 >> My advice is to leave the initial committer list as-is, and then wait to >> see who actually shows up to do work on the project during the >> incubation process. >>=20 >> Part of what the IPMC looks for during incubation is can the podling >> community self-govern, a large part of which is voting in new committers >> in an appropriate fashion. >>=20 >> Separately, when a podling is ready to graduate, and the IPMC votes to >> recommend graduation to the board, the actual committer and PMC lists >> for the top level project sometimes change versus the whole committer >> list during incubation. People who never show up to actually work on >> the podling probably should not be left on the committer list for the >> future top level project. >>=20 >> - Shane >>=20 >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >>=20 >>=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org