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From "Jim Jagielski"<>
Subject Re: Netbeans expectations (Was: Re: ASF doing too much? (Was: Re: TAC))
Date Wed, 28 Sep 2016 13:52:31 GMT
I meant "officially" as far as champion or mentor. They are the people taking on the official
responsibility and so the expectation is that they will be the most knowledgable and aware
of issues, concerns, etc... AFAIK, the concerns that these stakeholders had were not shared
w/ any of the mentors.

Please understand my comments from THAT PoV.

On 2016-09-27 18:39 (-0400), Roman Shaposhnik <> wrote: 
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Jim Jagielski <> wrote:
> > I would have assumed that if Netbeans stakeholders had any issues
> > or question, or requests for clarification, they would have
> > pinged either their champion or one of their proposed mentors.
> >
> > As it is, it is only on this thread, and not on any Incubator/vote
> > thread that I can see that this even came up, and even then
> > it could easily have been overlooked.
> >
> > To be clear: "Netbeans stakeholders" had serious and misleading
> > information about what Apache provided and it was only brought
> > out via some backchannel discussion with someone not involved
> > in the Netbeans proposal (from the Apache side) at all...
> I am actually offended by your categorization of me as the one who
> is "not involved in the Netbeans proposal (from the  Apache side) at all..."
> Putting aside the amount of personal time I've spent on the phone,
> online, etc. trying to help this community calibrate their expectations
> about transition to ASF, I must say this: if you're telling a very active
> member of IPMC (myself) that somehow I'm not involved in the
> proposal just because my name isn't of the freaking list as a mentor
> I can only say one thing back to you: way to go crushing any desire
> I had to help. Way to go, Jim!
> Thanks,
> Roman.
> P.S. And for the record -- I was invited to be a mentor. I declined.
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