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From Wade Chandler <cons...@wadechandler.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
Date Wed, 14 Sep 2016 19:46:20 GMT
I don't personally have any products using the name necessarily. I do have
a plugin that uses the word NetBeans as part of its name, but it is only
used in NetBeans, and freely available in the portal, but is the only one,
and could be renamed if plugins also have this restriction; may impact
others worse.

We do have a serious user group called "The NetBeans Dream Team", which
works as commiters, user support, evangelists, etc, to promote the project,
and is not an Oracle thing. What about the use in that sense of user
community names? Too, there are other groups who do things with logos. We
print off our own personal T-shirts and things too; not for profit but use.
Are any of these type actions restricted as well or anything we should be
concerned about?

Also, the branding is "NetBeans" versus "Netbeans" just to be sure.

Thanks, and I will review the info,

Wade

On Sep 14, 2016 3:17 PM, "Mark Struberg" <struberg@yahoo.de.invalid> wrote:

> Good point:
>
> The ASF (actually the single PMCs of the ASF) do handle trademark rules
> pretty strictly:
>
>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>
>
> The main reason is that we
>
> a.) need to defend the marks, otherwise they vanish and could be (ab-)used
> by anyone
> b.) as a non-for-profit organisation we must act for the public good, and
> must not allow a single company to have any advantage over others. If we
> don't act accordingly we might loose our 501(c) status.
>
> The same is btw true for other non-for-profit OSS foundations, even if
> they don't realise it (and then get beaten up by IRS).
>
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wednesday, 14 September 2016, 20:40, Roman Shaposhnik <
> roman@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
> > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Wade Chandler
> > <consult@wadechandler.com> wrote:
> >>  Do you mean from the stand point of it being a Java based application,
> or
> > that some how
> >>  NetBeans and the Java TCK are related? I don’t think either is an
> impact on
> > NetBeans IMHO;
> >>  not any more than it is for the Eclipse IDE or IntelliJ. Do you mean
> > because it is being contributed
> >>  by Oracle perhaps? If so, does the donor have as much impact on
> > contributions as that once
> >>  adopted by Apache? I may be misunderstanding what you are asking. I am
> not
> > an employee
> >>  of Oracle; just an NB contributor.
> >
> > I think the question is more along the lines of what else would be
> > required to produce a "canonical"
> > release of Apache Netbeans. If everything that is required is being
> > donated -- I think we're good.
> > IOW, the project must be self-contained and not depend on anything
> > still left behind the firewall
> > to do on-going development and most important releases. E.g. if I send
> > you a patch -- you can't
> > reject it on the grounds that some test behind Oracle's frewall I've
> > never seen failed. Stuff like
> > that.
> >
> > On a related note, I haven't seen it explicitly  mentioned in the
> > proposal, but I hope you guys do
> > realize that once this project is accepted the Netbeans brand belongs
> > to Apache. IOW, if Oracle
> > or anybody else ever want to have an independent product based on
> > Apache Netbeans they will
> > have to call it something else.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> >
> >
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