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From Ted Dunning <>
Subject Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)
Date Sat, 24 Sep 2016 23:04:34 GMT
Should this request come from IPMC? Seems like it should be at least a coop
request between infra (who get the budget and the operational onus) and
incubator (who cause the problem).

Certainly the budget shouldn't come to the IPMC if approved.

I will work with the board to determine the best form.

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 7:57 PM, Chris Mattmann <> wrote:

> Daniel this is great work. Thank you for outlining this. Wow!
> Chris
> On 9/24/16, 3:17 AM, "Daniel Gruno" <> wrote:
>     Hi folks,
>     I've been going over the requirements for NetBeans infrastructure, it's
>     ballpark costs, bandwidth, machines needed and so forth, and the cliff
>     notes are as follows:
>     - 40-50TB/month in traffic required (mostly downloads+plugins)
>     - 8-13 machines/VMS are required
>     - Ballpark hardware costs are between $3k and $10k per year, depending
>       on how much we can move to existing infrastructure and how close we
>       come to the original setup. The most likely figure we are working
> with
>       is $4.9k, but we should be prepared for a larger cost, just in case.
>     - The maintenance will be split between infra (downloads, web site, CI,
>       new build machines) and the project (services, plugins, statistics),
>       which will undoubtedly incur additional costs in terms of infra time
>       spent on this, possibly to the tune of $10-20k in the initial phase.
>     Certain services like the plugins hosting will rely on Legal giving the
>     go-ahead for it, otherwise we'll have to find other people willing to
>     host this.
>     Other items like downloads may be offset by CDN providers offering
> their
>     assistance, but we should be prepared for this not being the case from
>     the beginning, thus the 40-50TB/month. Likewise, some machine costs
>     may be offset by cloud providers offering services for free.
>     Thus, I would submit to the IPMC that they consider asking the board
> for
>     a budget of roughly $10k per year for the NetBeans project, as well as
>     the additional time required of Infrastructure to implement this into
>     the existing ASF infra. As we may be able to pool resources and utilize
>     the new hardware for multiple projects, the cost may go down in the
>     coming years, but this is the baseline I suggest we consider when
>     approving NetBeans as a new podling.
>     With regards,
>     Daniel.
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