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From Jochen Wiedmann <>
Subject Re: Radical proposal: no initial list of committers
Date Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:08:30 GMT
In all honesty: What would I as a mentor do, to get the project
rolling? Obvious: Ask the mailing list for an "Initial committer
list". So, what's the point?


On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Greg Stein <> wrote:
> The NetBeans proposal (among many others in the past) has demonstrated a
> significant "problem" with trying to establish an appropriate list of
> initial committers. There are many people that want to be on, for various
> reasons. Because they are committers, recent or historic. Or they want the
> "prestige" to be there. Some people believe they "deserve" to be on the
> list. etc etc
> Establishing the list is particularly difficult for large and old
> communities.
> But. What if we just said "no such list" ?
> This will shift the initial voting of committers upon the Champion/Mentors
> who will construct the entirety of the PPMC. But hey: aren't they supposed
> to be involved? Aren't they supposed to demonstrate how to earn merit, and
> the committership that results?
> This would also solve the problem of initial committers that have not
> established any merit whatsoever. We've had many situations where people
> simply add themselves to the list. Why? Cuz they chose to do so. It is sort
> of silently allowed for IPMC members to add themselves. "I wanna join!"
> BAM. It happens.
> So yeah. Radical thought: NO initial list. The PPMC is just the Champion +
> Mentors. They will build the committers and PPMC according to merit. (note:
> this could be *very* fast for a particular few highly-engaged with bringing
> the project to the ASF)
> ???
> Cheers,
> -g

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