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From Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacre...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
Date Thu, 22 Sep 2016 08:48:09 GMT
Hi Wade,

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:38 PM, Wade Chandler
<consult@wadechandler.com> wrote:
> ..I can say as a long time contributor who is not on the initial list, I
> understand, think it is fine, and agree that being added once we get into
> the actual incubation phase makes sense...

Thanks!

As someone who has mentored several projects here in the last ten
years or so I think although people sometimes see a lot of value in
being on the initial committers list they should not, IMO.

What very often happens during incubation is some people who were on
this list almost never contribute to the project, and other expected
or unexpected people show up, do great things and get elected as a
result.

Also, as mentor I will recommend reviewing the list of committers and
PMC members shortly before graduation, to give the opportunity to
people who didn't actually become active to gracefully retire - if the
project governance works it's easy to come back later by becoming
active, and the project benefits from having a roster that reflects
the reality of active contributors.

So in summary people shouldn't put too much value on the initial list
of committers, it's just that - an initial list, a kind of draft that
will evolve during incubation, and probably evolve a lot for a large
project such as NetBeans.

> ...I am able to contribute as much as I can at this stage anyways...

Indeed, and that stays true once incubation starts. Even though an
Apache PMC ultimately makes all the project decisions, they are
expected to listen to their community. The "community" section at
https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
expresses that.

> ...getting into building a thorough list before hand will
> certainly take time away from higher priority items at this stage...

Yes, that's why the NetBeans mentors pushed to avoid adding people to
the list of initial committers before the incubation vote starts, as
for a popular project that's a lot of work with no real value as
mentioned above.

Thanks for your understanding and for your contributions so far!

-Bertrand, with my NetBeans mentor hat on

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