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From Geertjan Wielenga <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
Date Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:20:33 GMT
Many thanks everyone for the enthusiasm and also for the new mentors --
indeed, an infrastructure-focused mentor or two will be really relevant. We
have of course had several discussions and mail exchanges with our mentors
before publishing the proposal.

The bottom line is, we want to fit into the Apache way as much as possible.
Some binaries may need to be hosted elsewhere, if we cannot get a legal
exception. Some parts of the infrastructure may also need to be hosted
elsewhere. We have a lot of faith in Apache's approach to things which is
why we're taking this direction to Apache.

We'll need to provide very precise details of everything we have in terms
of infrastructure and licensing. We're looking forward to a range of
enhancements that you're not even aware of since you don't know our current
infrastructure. :-) For example, right now we have one build engineer who
knows everything about our release infrastructure (i.e., about
Jenkins/Hudson jobs, about doing releases, about publishing releases, about
uploading the bits and making them generally available). Within Apache,
we're looking forward to that whole process being transparent and having
that knowledge available to more than one person. Even on this basis alone,
Apache is going to be great for NetBeans.

Re the NetBeans forums, yes, we've had these for a few years. We didn't
always have them. If within Apache there's no such thing as forums and no
project within Apache has a problem with that, then I wonder whether we
from the NetBeans ecosystem should have a problem with that.

We're really looking forward to being part of an open infrastructure and
ecosystem and I'm sure there'll be hurdles, though I'm also sure we'll be
able to cross them together for the greater benefit of everyone.


On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny <>

> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> > wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Emmanuel Lecharny <
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Jim, I would be pleased to pass you the batton. You most certainly will
> > be
> > > a better mentor than I could be....
> >
> > With all due respect to both of you guys that's hard to estimate upfront
> > ;-)
> >
> > Unless one of you envisions constraints like lack of time that would
> > prevent you from participating adequately, I suggest that you both
> > stay on board as mentors, you can always resign from mentorship at any
> > time if we find that we have too many mentors during incubation.
> >
> When I was asked to became a mentor, I accepted. That was an obvious
> decision. Now, I really do think that having too many mentors is not
> necessarily a good idea. I rather prefer having someone like Jim with a
> very deep knowledge on how The ASF work, especially for such a project,
> with potentially "political" interactions, and more important, a lot of PR
> to deal with. NetBeans is not one of the project we see often at Incubator,
> I do think it deserves hot guns.
> Better have a hard core set of mentors from the beginning than having a
> bunch of people that will quit during incubation, IMHO.
> Btw, I really do think that adding someone from Infra is mandatory, due to
> the high requirement on Infra this project will have.
> My 2 cts ;-)
> --
> Regards,
> Cordialement,
> Emmanuel L├ęcharny

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