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From Geertjan Wielenga <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
Date Thu, 15 Sep 2016 18:35:41 GMT
I think one-on-one discovery would indeed be good -- not sure how that
progresses from here, though I can put you in touch directly with the
NetBeans build engineers who will be able to provide all the missing info.
[And, again, this is precisely one big benefit of NetBeans in Apache: we
will have transparent infrastructure and processes so that we will not be
dependent on specialized knowledge of one or two people but be able to
document and externalize this kind of information.]


On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 5:28 PM, David Nalley <> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <> wrote:
> > Hi Incubator PMC,
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Geertjan Wielenga
> > <> wrote:
> >> ... ...
> >
> > At this point I ask anyone with concerns or questions that haven't
> > been addressed so far and would prevent us from voting on this
> > proposal to chime in.
> >
> Yes, please don't start a vote just yet. There's still plenty of
> questions that need to be answered from an infrastructure perspective.
> This is a large project with lots of moving parts potentially moving
> into the ASF - 2 days really isn't enough discovery yet.
> I'll note that plenty of questions from my original list that haven't
> yet been answered.
> But here are a few more questions:
> The size of the binaries appears pretty large - what is the typical
> total size of all the binaries that you release at a single time? What
> are the typical download counts upon release/or bandwidth consumed. My
> suspicion is that you are pretty close to OpenOffice style numbers in
> terms of total size. That might cause some of our mirrors to balk at
> hosting/delivering your binaries.
> There appears to be 7 months before plugins.netbeans.o disappears.
> That isn't a lot of time, assuming that plugins.nb.o is not going to
> live at the ASF, what's the projects plans? Frankly, I worry that in 6
> months this will suddenly become a huge priority and that the project
> will ask the ASF to manage this. We may or may not have the resources
> to do so - we don't know what this involves in terms of space or
> bandwidth - and we would almost certainly expect the project to manage
> the application.
> Are you currently signing your binaries?
> What happens in 7 months to all of the old releases? Is your community
> the type that typically makes heavy use of old releases or are they
> constantly upgrading? or?
> What kind of release notification infrastructure do you have in place.
> I know there's been a 'help bubble' in place that tells folks of new
> versions in the past. Does that still exist. How is that notification
> authenticated? Are you planning on transferring all of that? If not,
> what happens to all of the old versions that no longer get alerts?
> Daniel: Since you volunteered for this, do you mind doing some
> one-on-one discovery with some of the project folks about their
> infrastructure, whats going to move, what isn't? What parts are
> crucial to the entire platform working, etc.? Then bring your findings
> back to the list?
> --David
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