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From Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
Date Sun, 25 Sep 2016 17:25:49 GMT
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 5:32 PM, John Ament said:

So the concern I raised to Geertjan was that he had committers
> listed who had never committed to Netbeans previously, but was excluding
> people who used to commit to Netbeans.


For the record, no one was being excluded. The original approach taken,
following the advice of our mentors, was not to try to be exhaustive in any
way, but instead to try to show diversity. We did that and the mentors were
satisfied. Then various other Apache folks were of the opinion that our
approach was not sufficient and we have been trying to follow those
approaches as well, e.g., we are trying to include and approach as many as
possible who have committed in the past to see whether they want to
continue doing so. To continue to follow the approach taken by our mentors,
we're not trying to be exclusive and we're also not trying to hold up the
vote.

We're just trying to make as many people happy as possible. :-) Plus, the
more details we come up with in relation to our committers and their
intentions and so on, the better for everyone.

Thanks,

Geertjan

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 5:32 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
wrote:

> John,
>
> Will try to respond in line.
>
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 2:59 AM John McDonnell <mcdonnell.john@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> > I am a netbeans user that has been following this thread since the
> > proposal was announced and I am a little fascinated with this whole
> > process, it seems rather interesting...
> >
> > Although this initial committer list seems to be a sticking point, but
> > from reading this page:
> > https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#committers I'm not
> > sure why it is...
> >
>
> Maybe review this line
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html#template-
> initial-committers to
> get a better understanding about why this list is critical.
>
>
> >
> > I have contributed defect fixes for JClouds in the past, and from what
> > I see on this project is that there's an GitHub repo that allows
> > people to contribute PR's, but theres also a ASF repo, which the
> > contributors actually merge in the PRs from GitHub into the "hidden"
> > ASF repo...   Is this how every ASF project runs? and is this how
> > Apache Netbeans would run?  Because if so, do you want to give a wide
> > list of committers initially?
> >
>
> Why do you use "hidden" here to describe the repo?  The github mirrors are
> just that - mirrors.  Committers have write access to the ASF repos at
> http://git.apache.org/ .  Those changes are then sync'd back to github.
>
>
> >
> > I would have thought it would make sense to keep the number to a group
> > of trusted people that Netbeans/GJ trust up front to commit PRs into
> > the main repo, and to make short term decisions.  Then if a
> > developer/contributor shows themselves to be a useful part of the
> > community then you can quickly vote to change their status...
> >
>
> It is.  So the concern I raised to Geertjan was that he had committers
> listed who had never committed to Netbeans previously, but was excluding
> people who used to commit to Netbeans.  In both of these cases, there is an
> intent to continue to contribute (or resume contributing), which is part of
> the vendor-neutral mentality the ASF brings (and is ultimately what the
> Netbeans community is after).  Realistically, those who used to contribute
> will know the code base better than those who are just coming in, to be
> able to help guide new contributors on what to look out for.
>
>
> >
> > Anyways I'm going to go back to lurking in the background...
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > On 25 September 2016 at 07:40, Jochen Theodorou <blackdrag@gmx.org>
> wrote:
> > > On 24.09.2016 15:10, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Jochen Theodorou
> > >>
> > >> For me the problem is that without plugins you have only the bare
> > >> plattform
> > >>>
> > >>> and no IDE.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> No, that's not true at all. The NetBeans plugins are of various kinds.
> > >> There are plugins that are listed in the Plugin Manager by default,
> > these
> > >> are the standard functionalities of NetBeans IDE, i.e., these are all
> > from
> > >> the NetBeans source code and will be part of the Apache donation.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ok, wrong knowledge on my side. From hat I have seen in the repository
> it
> > > should be fine then. I have also seen some possibly license critical
> > stuff
> > > there, but that is for during incubation to sort out
> > >
> > >
> > > bye Jochen
> > >
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> >
> >
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> > John
> >
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