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From Raphael Bircher <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
Date Mon, 19 Sep 2016 11:10:11 GMT
Hi Geertjan

I'm registred at NetBeams now, to get a closer look at the project. I
was a bit shocked about the similarities with the formar project. The structure of the Project, the workflow
etc. are so close to the project, much closer as I
expected. My biggest fear for the incubation is not the technical
aspect. For infrastructure we will find solutions, and for many
problems exist already blueprints from the OpenOffice Project. My
biggest fear ist the community. As I saw on the NetBeans ML, the
decision to join the ASF was made by Oracle. Well a load of the
community members welcome this step, but there are also fears. This
fears has to be addressed, this is very very important.

One Mail also complained about the Initial Committer list. Are all
active committers who did commit in the last 6 month (or so) on the
initial committer list. forgotten people can create bad blood and
disappointment. The committers are the most value part of a project.

This are at the moment my biggest concerns.

Regards Raphael

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Geertjan Wielenga
<> wrote:
> Nightly builds is all that's needed, indeed, no one needs to announce them,
> they should simply be available. Agreed it's important to distinguish
> between nightly builds and official releases, that's exactly how NetBeans
> works currently. The #1 requirement here is that there should be nightly
> builds and that is supported, from your response here.
> Geertjan
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
>> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 7:00 AM, Geertjan Wielenga
>> <> wrote:
>> > ...the #1 requirement is for Apache NetBeans to be able
>> > to produce daily/release builds and to upload them to or
>> > another download area under Apache....
>> Daily releases are problematic in Apache projects as the PMC needs to
>> approve releases, and in general those votes last at least 72 hours
>> due to our async collaboration model.
>> AFAIK Apache Cordova for example is making very frequent releases, it
>> might be interesting to find out how they enable that, in due time.
>> Nightly builds should not be announced outside of the project's
>> developers mailing lists, to mark a clear line between those and
>> official releases.
>> All those things can be discussed during incubation of course, just
>> wanted to mention them due to the above #1 requirement.
>> -Bertrand
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