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From Greg Stein <>
Subject Radical proposal: no initial list of committers
Date Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:25:40 GMT
The NetBeans proposal (among many others in the past) has demonstrated a
significant "problem" with trying to establish an appropriate list of
initial committers. There are many people that want to be on, for various
reasons. Because they are committers, recent or historic. Or they want the
"prestige" to be there. Some people believe they "deserve" to be on the
list. etc etc

Establishing the list is particularly difficult for large and old

But. What if we just said "no such list" ?

This will shift the initial voting of committers upon the Champion/Mentors
who will construct the entirety of the PPMC. But hey: aren't they supposed
to be involved? Aren't they supposed to demonstrate how to earn merit, and
the committership that results?

This would also solve the problem of initial committers that have not
established any merit whatsoever. We've had many situations where people
simply add themselves to the list. Why? Cuz they chose to do so. It is sort
of silently allowed for IPMC members to add themselves. "I wanna join!"
BAM. It happens.

So yeah. Radical thought: NO initial list. The PPMC is just the Champion +
Mentors. They will build the committers and PPMC according to merit. (note:
this could be *very* fast for a particular few highly-engaged with bringing
the project to the ASF)



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