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From Roman Shaposhnik <>
Subject Re: Radical proposal: no initial list of committers
Date Tue, 27 Sep 2016 18:56:30 GMT
On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 4:25 AM, Greg Stein <> wrote:
> The NetBeans proposal (among many others in the past) has demonstrated a
> significant "problem" with trying to establish an appropriate list of
> initial committers. There are many people that want to be on, for various
> reasons. Because they are committers, recent or historic. Or they want the
> "prestige" to be there. Some people believe they "deserve" to be on the
> list. etc etc
> Establishing the list is particularly difficult for large and old
> communities.
> But. What if we just said "no such list" ?
> This will shift the initial voting of committers upon the Champion/Mentors
> who will construct the entirety of the PPMC. But hey: aren't they supposed
> to be involved? Aren't they supposed to demonstrate how to earn merit, and
> the committership that results?

This! This requires a super engaged cast of Mentors that are actually
willing to spend significant ammount of time down in the trenches.
Unfortunately mentor availability (for even simple things like a report
sign-off) has been a constant (although not as urgent these days)
issue (*)

With the right group of mentors -- I'm super +1 on this!


(*) For example, I'm really curious whether the current cast of NetBeans
mentors are really aware of the IP review workload that is going to hit them
once NetBeans tries to produce its first official Apache Release.

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