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From Mark Struberg <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
Date Tue, 13 Sep 2016 10:21:06 GMT
Regarding GPL licensed plugins:
I guess there will be a need for 2 plugin repos. One 'core' for plugins which are ALv2, another
one for the rest. Similar to what we had with apacheextras.

Of course this gets much tougher for parts Oracle cannot re-license under ALv2 but are needed
by the core. 


> On Tuesday, 13 September 2016, 12:12, John D. Ament <> wrote:
> > Hi Bertrand, Geertjan,
> I too share some of the infra concerns Daniel's pointed out.  For instance,
> where it is referenced one large hg repository, I count 33 repositories
> hosted on  Some of them haven't been maintained in a
> while, so I wonder if they're relevant or not.
> I'm also concerned about the press that this is causing, for instance at
> [1].  This is already being compared to OpenOffice.
> I would like to understand the project's path forward in case Oracle pulls
> out support up front.  Meaning, they provide a grant, but then all Oracle
> employees leave. I know you have other companies listed here, but
> realistically how much code have they contributed in the past?  At least
> one is a CEO of the other company.  I did an extremely cursory view of the
> commits in netbeans, and found some people who are recent committers who
> are not listed in this proposal.  How are they being accounted for here?
> Finally, at least for now, I am concerned over your 3rd party libraries.  I
> get that the plan is to become apache compliant, but realistically how much
> of a competitive advantage do you lose by losing features such as Hibernate
> integration?  Or what about dropping SwingX all together (which I suspect
> is pretty core to the GUI)?
> - John
> [1]:
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 5:48 AM Bertrand Delacretaz 
> <>
> wrote:
>>  Hi Daniel,
>>  On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Daniel Gruno <>
>>  wrote:
>>  > What is the expected impact on infrastructure here?...
>>  I'll let Geertjan or someone else who's familiar with the existing
>>  setups comment on the below list, from the Special Infrastructure
>>  Requests in the proposal (I have numbered them now for clarity).
>>  Instead of "migrating internal Oracle release infrastructure" for
>>  example we might discuss build/release requirements that might be
>>  specific to NetBeans, I'm not sure if reproducing existing
>>  infrastructure matches the ASF's infra view of the world. So maybe
>>  what we need at this point is a rough outline of the expectations of
>>  the current NetBeans team.
>>  > SIR01 Migration of large existing Mercurial repository to Apache Git
>>  > SIR02 Migration of internal Oracle release infrastructure to Apache
>>  infrastructure
>>  > SIR03 Migration of plugin publication system,, to
>>  Apache infrastructure
>>  > SIR04 Migration of website and related content management system to
>>  Apache infrastructure
>>  > SIR05 Evaluation and identification of other NetBeans infrastructure 
> to
>>  be migrated to Apache infastructures
>>  -Bertrand
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