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From Shane Curcuru <>
Subject Re: Netbeans expectations (Was: Re: ASF doing too much? (Was: Re: TAC))
Date Wed, 28 Sep 2016 01:33:48 GMT
(Please note the mixed public/private lists)

As a little bit of context: NetBeans is not only a large project with a
complex history, community, and infrastructure, but it's also coming at
a time when the ASF is trying to improve our internal operations,
infrastructure team and systems, and our budgeting situation so that we
can more reliably and efficiently provide the services that our projects

So while we certainly do need the additional infra team work with the
NetBeans donors to let us plan infra capacity, some of the extra
scrutiny that you might have seen here in the Incubator is because
internally we're trying to better plan for, and set more detailed
expectations for, all our future podlings.

I can see there will be a lot of work - and changes - to NetBeans in the
next year or so, but it's all eminently doable if the community comes
together to work in the Apache Way.  And it will definitely be nice to
have our own developer tooling here!

- Shane

Roman Shaposhnik wrote on 9/27/16 6:39 PM:
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Jim Jagielski <> wrote:
>> I would have assumed that if Netbeans stakeholders had any issues
>> or question, or requests for clarification, they would have
>> pinged either their champion or one of their proposed mentors.
>> As it is, it is only on this thread, and not on any Incubator/vote
>> thread that I can see that this even came up, and even then
>> it could easily have been overlooked.
>> To be clear: "Netbeans stakeholders" had serious and misleading
>> information about what Apache provided and it was only brought
>> out via some backchannel discussion with someone not involved
>> in the Netbeans proposal (from the Apache side) at all...
> I am actually offended by your categorization of me as the one who
> is "not involved in the Netbeans proposal (from the  Apache side) at all..."
> Putting aside the amount of personal time I've spent on the phone,
> online, etc. trying to help this community calibrate their expectations
> about transition to ASF, I must say this: if you're telling a very active
> member of IPMC (myself) that somehow I'm not involved in the
> proposal just because my name isn't of the freaking list as a mentor
> I can only say one thing back to you: way to go crushing any desire
> I had to help. Way to go, Jim!
> Thanks,
> Roman.
> P.S. And for the record -- I was invited to be a mentor. I declined.

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