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From Ted Dunning <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
Date Sun, 25 Sep 2016 17:46:50 GMT


That sounds like a very nice and workable plan. 

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> On Sep 24, 2016, at 23:22, Geertjan Wielenga <>
> It really is impossible for us to follow all the (in many cases
> contradictory) advice we have been given re the initial contributors list.
> Here's what I propose:
> 1. We make the initial contributors list as detailed as we can, i.e., I
> have already started doing this, grouping individual contributors in
> specific categories and also indicating which ones have contributed in the
> past, in most cases the recent past, i.e., these are the ones with most
> direct skills who are likely to begin contributing as soon as possible.
> Yes, most of these are from Oracle, which makes sense since we're moving to
> Apache precisely in order to open up the governance model so that more can
> participate.
> 2. When in doubt, we will follow the advice of our mentors over the advice
> of those who are not our mentors.
> 3. We will show in the initial contributors list what each of the initial
> contributors is planning to contribute, as concretely as possible, to show
> that we have a list of contributors who really want to and are planning to
> contribute as soon as they're able to do so.
> 4. I don't believe anyone will fork NetBeans for not being on the initial
> contributors list nor do I believe that anyone will want to be on the
> initial contributors list as some kind of desire for status -- everyone on
> the list is known in one way or another in the community or has worked on
> NetBeans for years from within Oracle. These are all people who are
> committed to NetBeans and to its future in Apache.
> 5. At the end of incubation, we will go through the list very thoroughly.
> Anyone who has not contributed will be contacted to confirm that they'd
> like to be removed from the list before we become a TPL. I see no problems
> in that regard, I'm sure people who don't end up committing will have no
> problem being removed from the list at that stage and being voted in again
> if/when they change their mind later.
> Hope the above works for everyone and thanks everyone for all the energy
> everyone is putting into this process.
> Thanks,
> Geertjan
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 3:47 AM, Shane Curcuru <>
> wrote:
>> toki wrote on 9/24/16 8:04 PM:
>>>> On 22/09/2016 05:18, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
>>>> had a non-trivial amount of commits to then Sun NetBeans between
>> 2002-2008. He then drifted away from the
>>>> project but would be interested, potentially, re-engaging.
>>> Is it possible to create a "master list' of everybody who has
>>> contributed, when they contributed, and roughly how much they
>> contributed?
>>> If so, then:
>>> * send everybody on that list an ICLA to fill out and return;
>>> * Include that list as an appendix to the Incubation Paperwork. Call it
>>> _Individuals who, on request will be considered to be part of the
>>> Initial Committer List_, once the appropriate paperwork has been signed
>>> and submitted;
>>> * The _Initial Committer List_ consists of people who have signed and
>>> submitted the appropriate paperwork, and requested to be on the list;
>> My advice is to leave the initial committer list as-is, and then wait to
>> see who actually shows up to do work on the project during the
>> incubation process.
>> Part of what the IPMC looks for during incubation is can the podling
>> community self-govern, a large part of which is voting in new committers
>> in an appropriate fashion.
>> Separately, when a podling is ready to graduate, and the IPMC votes to
>> recommend graduation to the board, the actual committer and PMC lists
>> for the top level project sometimes change versus the whole committer
>> list during incubation.  People who never show up to actually work on
>> the podling probably should not be left on the committer list for the
>> future top level project.
>> - Shane
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