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From Mark Struberg <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
Date Wed, 14 Sep 2016 19:17:38 GMT
Good point:

The ASF (actually the single PMCs of the ASF) do handle trademark rules pretty strictly:

The main reason is that we 

a.) need to defend the marks, otherwise they vanish and could be (ab-)used by anyone
b.) as a non-for-profit organisation we must act for the public good, and must not allow a
single company to have any advantage over others. If we don't act accordingly we might loose
our 501(c) status.

The same is btw true for other non-for-profit OSS foundations, even if they don't realise
it (and then get beaten up by IRS).


> On Wednesday, 14 September 2016, 20:40, Roman Shaposhnik <>
> > On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Wade Chandler
> <> wrote:
>>  Do you mean from the stand point of it being a Java based application, or 
> that some how
>>  NetBeans and the Java TCK are related? I don’t think either is an impact on 
> NetBeans IMHO;
>>  not any more than it is for the Eclipse IDE or IntelliJ. Do you mean 
> because it is being contributed
>>  by Oracle perhaps? If so, does the donor have as much impact on 
> contributions as that once
>>  adopted by Apache? I may be misunderstanding what you are asking. I am not 
> an employee
>>  of Oracle; just an NB contributor.
> I think the question is more along the lines of what else would be
> required to produce a "canonical"
> release of Apache Netbeans. If everything that is required is being
> donated -- I think we're good.
> IOW, the project must be self-contained and not depend on anything
> still left behind the firewall
> to do on-going development and most important releases. E.g. if I send
> you a patch -- you can't
> reject it on the grounds that some test behind Oracle's frewall I've
> never seen failed. Stuff like
> that.
> On a related note, I haven't seen it explicitly  mentioned in the
> proposal, but I hope you guys do
> realize that once this project is accepted the Netbeans brand belongs
> to Apache. IOW, if Oracle
> or anybody else ever want to have an independent product based on
> Apache Netbeans they will
> have to call it something else.
> Thanks,
> Roman.
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