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From Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de.INVALID>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
Date Sun, 18 Sep 2016 16:24:22 GMT
btw, I tried to import the netbeans-core repo from hg into github and it failed.
Now trying to manually import it...

Did anybody else do that?


LieGrue,
strub




> On Sunday, 18 September 2016, 18:22, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
wrote:
> > +1
> 
> 
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: Greg Stein [mailto:gstein@gmail.com]
>>  Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 00:46
>>  To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>  Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
>> 
>>  On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>  geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  > Hi all,
>>  >
>>  > Can we be specific about what info is needed, or what further details
>>  > specifically, before going into a vote for acceptance of the proposal?
>>  My
>>  > concern is that each question we answer is answered by further
>>  questions to
>>  > answer. Maybe we could do a phone conference with the NetBeans
>>  > infrastructure side together with the Apache infrastructure side.
>>  Maybe we
>>  > can work through the infrastructure challenges during incubation.
>>  >
>> 
>>  Generally speaking, Apache would prefer to slow things down and use a
>>  mailing list, rather than to have a phone conference. The email is
>>  documented for everybody to review, to participate, and to record for
>>  future examination. A phone conference probably wouldn't resolve many
>>  questions/concerns anyway, simply because much of that comes from
>>  considered thought. A phone call is "THINK NOW. RESPOND. OOPS. MISSED
>>  YOUR
>>  CHANCE." ... Mailing lists give people time to think.
>> 
>>  There is no rush, no dates, no deadlines at the ASF. It may take longer
>>  via
>>  mailing lists, but it means that the larger community can be involved,
>>  can
>>  review, and can be archived.
>> 
>>  If one question turns into three ... well, that is deliberation. As
>>  David
>>  noted else-thread, we rarely get such a large, well-established
>>  community
>>  arriving at the Incubator. That necessitates a bit more inquiry than
>>  most
>>  other entrants receive. Layers of the onion get peeled, and new
>>  questions
>>  arrive. More layers unpeeled ...
>> 
>>  And to point to the elephant in the room: I bet there are people
>>  concerned
>>  given the recent misadventures of AOO [and Oracle's donations of these
>>  two
>>  projects]. Personally, I think it is hogwash, and don't believe any
>>  concern
>>  applies here, as the communities and the userbase are very different.
>>  BUT,
>>  temporally, there is a conflation of the donations of these two
>>  projects. I
>>  suspect that will cause a few people to slow down and ask more
>>  questions.
>> 
>>  Cheers,
>>  -g
> 
> 
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