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From Atanu Mishra <>
Subject Re: Trafodion podling needs more mentors
Date Sat, 18 Jun 2016 01:38:56 GMT
Response below.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <>

> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:05 PM, John D. Ament <>
> wrote:
> > Dave,
> >
> > For some reason, I feel like I commented on that thread as well, but
> don't
> > see it, so I'm either thinking of something else or its inlined somewhere
> > that I didn't see (e.g. the emails back and forth with Pierre).
> >
> > The question to always ask with company alliances is if someone would
> > contribute to the project if they weren't paid by $dayjob to do so.  The
> > beauty of the Apache Way is by focusing on individuals, this problem
> > becomes more apparent.  Of the new contributors you added that work for
> > Esgyn, which of them would realistically contribute to Trafodion if they
> > weren't employed by Esgyn?  Likewise, if Esgyn stopped building a product
> > on top of Trafodion, would those contributors remain?
> >
> > In addition, with such tight company affiliation, does the PMC represent
> a
> > reasonable cross section so that they can assert their iP claims?  For
> > example, based on looking at the usage of Trafodion vs Apache Trafodion
> on
> > would the PMC send an email to some representative of
> > Esgyn asking them to correct the branding errors? (To be clear, a cursory
> > look around the website only gives me one minor error, nothing crazy like
> > we've seen with other projects, you've done a great job keeping branding
> in
> > line with guidelines on both the ASF site and here)
> >
> > These are the reasons, at least from my POV, why community diversity is
> > important.  To be honest, I don't see any of the typical warning signs I
> > see with company backed ASF projects that I see here.  Its clear that its
> > ASF developed first.  I see great communication and collaboration via
> email
> > (heck, I wish my $dayjob communicated this well via email).
> >
> > So to answer your question, no, I don't think Trafodion needs more
> > mentors.  Maybe you need some help with the graduation process, but from
> my
> > POV you seem like TLP material to me.
> +1 to the above. I honestly still don't understand what is the problem
> with Trafodion
> (if any) that piling mentors up would be a good solution to.

​An extract from the original email should help answer that question. We
are very dependent on one mentor (St.Ack) at the moment.

​> We have done two releases now, learning many lessons from that
> But we need more help checking out our release candidates. Our current
> mentors have been pressed for time. (We started with five, two have since
> resigned due to other obligations.)


*Atanu Mishra*
*Esgyn Corporation*
Milpitas, CA 95035
m: +1.408.219.9765

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